Controling cancer with Bicarb.

a reply to: anonentity

Sugar has a neutral PH of 7. It's not acidic or alkaline.

Like I said before. The body regulates PH to a very thin line. Too high, you're very ill then dead. Too low, you're very ill then dead.

As for the video? Not once did he check his blood sugar levels. So again, all we have is a video of someone saying something without any evidence.

BTW, you might want to avoid saying things are there when they're not.

a reply to: TerryDon79


Listen carefully to the video, and don't just skip it quick to poo poo it.The guy says it stops his neuropathy, if he says it does, then it does for him.Period.

a reply to: anonentity

Seriously? Simoncini?

The "doctor" who had is licence revoked?
The "doctor" who had a PHD in philosophy?
The "doctor" who says cancer is a fungus (even though there's proof that is isn't)?
The "doctor" who was tried and found guilty of fraud and manslaughter of a patient (he injected a patient with bicarbonate of soda) in 2006?

You mean that Simoncini?

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: TerryDon79


Listen carefully to the video, and don't just skip it quick to poo poo it.The guy says it stops his neuropathy, if he says it does, then it does for him.Period.

But you said...

Here he's checking his blood sugar....

And he isn't.

Again, testimonials don't mean a thing when there have been actual TESTS and STUDIES that have EVIDENCE to prove it doesn't cure cancer without killing the person.

Here's a challenge to anyone who believes "baking soda cures cancer".

Show me some evidence that it works in a living human.

Not testimonials.
Not petri dishes.
Not mice.
Not some persons blog or YouTube video.

Show me some real evidence.

a reply to: TerryDon79

www.worldhealth.net... The compounds are high in parsley. It does help a few types of cancer.

If you have cancer all ready, here is something that is relevant. www.webmd.com...

For some types of cancer, this works well. www.globalresearch.ca...

This woman has some pertinent information in the video. www.youtube.com... A lot of what she says is true, I actually researched what she says about much of this.

This is a good article, I agree with the majority of it, but also think the part about plant based chemistry is a little too broadform, certain plants are better than others in fighting cancer. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

There have been quite a few studies on the Chaga mushroom and it does work by stimulating the body to fight cancer and it also has a chemical that actually causes the tumors to die while being harmless to most people. Also bovine cartilage is anticancer, so is bone broth. There are a couple of chemistries at play in that, more than in Geletin unless the geletin is made from cartilage and bone and not just skin. Another thing that has antiviral and anticancer properties is to consume strawberries occasionally. Real strawberry jam is fine, but it should be freezer jam because the chemistry is heat liable.

Molybdenum supplementation or consuming foods higher in it also help to fight cancer, the element is used in coenzymes which are needed to detox nitrosamines. It also is used to detox aldehydes which can also cause problems which will increase cancer risk. Our soils are getting depleted of this mineral. Liming only goes so far in releasing it before it is gone.

My favorite is the rutabaga, it has both a growth and repair hormone that is heat liable and an anticancer agent which is heat stable. Even the type of caffeic acid in potatoes can cause some cancers to shrink.

If you examine this stuff you start to see a pattern, the foods most people feel are not worthy are often the ones that help us to not get cancer. The more rich a society gets, the more cancer becomes a problem.

Another important thing, cellular communication being good is needed to fight cancer, that is actually dependent on proper electrolyte levels in the body. Too little salt or too little potassium can lead to problems. Keeping the balance correct in the body is important and there should be a ratio of salt, potassium, and chloride of 1/1/3 based on the RDA. All those chemistries that attract us have a sodium without a chloride, that is a problem which can cause a bottleneck of proper cellular detox. But you can always eat some extra boiled green beans to supply the chloride.

We were led to believe that all food is good as long as you follow a very shody nutritional guideline. Plant defense and animal defense chemistry is not well explained, some people need to consume foods others do not need, everyone has different variations of enzymes they create. When I started this, I believed that the information they said about RDA nutrients was very accurate, now I know that there are a lot of people oking this fake nutrition news that haven't a clue about things. It is way more complicated than can be immagined and it tied directly to epigenetics.

I am trying to find a way to not get cancer, who wants to get it and have to be treated. If you follow the governments guidelines and do not research things more, chances are you are going to get cancer. Ten years ago this information was not available, that is something I thank Obama for, he opened up all the research that was paid for by our government to the public. Yet some companies are skirting this and charging for it by using loopholes so now some is pay per view.

Speaking as someone who knows cancer intimately , this may be the next big thing. There is a LOT of research by oncologists on the effect of acidic blood and cancer . Cancer thrives on acidic blood. So Baking Soda alkalizes the blood .

Just for the naysayers.

a reply to: Gothmog


It seems Arizona state Uni has done some work on this problem. www.canceractive.com...

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Gothmog


It seems Arizona state Uni has done some work on this problem. www.canceractive.com...

I read about the Arizona state work but I couldn't find a link on a reputable site. The site you listed sounds much better than the one I was looking at. It does work well as an adjuvant therapy with other therapies and can work as a stand alone to slow or stop progression from what I have read. It will not stimulate apoptosis.

The only good way to deal with a tumor is a competent hand with a scalpel. NaHCO3 alone will not cure any cancer but may be usefull as an adjunct nonetheless.

I know that maths and rationality are utterly despised here, but still, I think there are open minded peoples that may find these notes interesting. It's about physiological blood pH and the bicarbonate buffer system in the context of cancer.


"
The normal blood pH is tightly regulated between 7.35 and 7.45.


Henderson–Hasselbalch equation on bicarbonate buffer system:


......................... [HCO3^-]
pH = pKa + Log ---------------
..........................[H2CO3]


..........pKa is for weak acid H2CO3 = 6.1 (at physiological temperature)
..........[HCO3^-] is molarity of bicarbonate anion (mol/liter)
..........[H2CO3] is molarity of carbonic acid

In normal blood, variation of ratio of molarity of dissociated [HCO3^-] to molarity of carbonic acid is:

pH 7.35

..........7.35 - 6.1 = 1.25

..........Log^-1(1.25) = 17.78

pH 7.45

..........7.45 - 6.1 = 1.35

..........Log^-1(1.35) = 22.39



Thus, for pH variation from 7.35 to 7.45, ratio of molarity of bicarbonate anion to undissociated carbonic acid is respectively: 17.78 to 22.39.


Any external supply of bicarbonate anion HCO3^-, will according to Le Chatelier's principle, induce a shift toward the side of the reaction that induce reduction of the anion; supplemental production of H2CO3 by consumption of H^+ (hydronium) by HCO3^-.

The excess of H2CO3 is then automatically reduced by "compensating" action of Carbonic anhydrase (CA) that transform H2CO3 into CO2 + H2O. In the lung, the CO2 is exhaled.

Note:
..........Renal excretion is the primary means of eliminating H^+ from the body.

..........Failure of the proximal tubular cells to reabsorb filtered bicarbonate from the urine, lead to urinary bicarbonate wasting and subsequent acidemia.

..........See also ammoniagensis as a mechanism for generation of new HCO3^-

..........Elevation of pCO2 is a stimulus to ventilation.

..........Extracellular pH values in tumors can be as low as pH 6.0-6.5.

..........Blood flow rate in healthy tissue = 2127 g/s/dm^3
..........Blood flow rate in an unspecified tumor = 0.5 g/s/dm^3
..........In more advanced stage (when angiogenesis is active) the blood perfursion in the area is more than than the usual healthy situation.


H^+ molarity vs blood pH:
========================

..........By combining Henderson Hasselbalch equation with Kassirer-Bleich equation:

..........[H^+] = 24 * 10^-(pH - 7.623)


pH .......................... [H^+] nanomol/L
=======================
7.80 ....................... 16
7.70 ....................... 20
7.60 ....................... 26
7.50 ....................... 32
7.40 ....................... 40 ***
7.30 ....................... 50
7.20 ....................... 63
7.10 ....................... 80
7.00 ....................... 100
6.90 ....................... 125
6.80 ....................... 160
6.50 ....................... 319 ***
6.00 ....................... 1007 ***

"

The table show that extracellular fluid content of tumor is very rich in proton (hydronium). Remember pH is a Log scale !

a reply to: rickymouse


Cayenne seems to trigger Apoptosis the higher the Scoville unit the better.

originally posted by: TerryDon79
Here's a challenge to anyone who believes "baking soda cures cancer".

Show me some evidence that it works in a living human.

Not testimonials.
Not petri dishes.
Not mice.
Not some persons blog or YouTube video.

Show me some real evidence.

I see a few people have posted since I posted the above, yet no one addressed it.

Surely there must be SOMETHING if "baking soda cures cancer"?

a reply to: TerryDon79t


It seems it was used back in the old days. But If it does actually work to cure Cancers, I doubt whether we would get a look in as the cancer industry is the biggest money spinner on the planet.www.regenerativenutrition.com...

a reply to: anonentity

Now you're using Dr Sircus as an authority? He's an idiot that likes to sell books on XXXX cures cancer. There's nothing he won't write a book on to get money.

He also thinks that bicarbonate "offers an instant and strong shift of blood pH into the alkalin." Blood PH is already alkaline lol. Anything outside of the limits I posted before and you're sick and then DEAD.

Still waiting for anything that proves bicarbonate of soda cures cancer in a living human.

ETA: Funny thing is is he says this "The lungs and kidneys respond to pH changes by removing CO2, HCO3-, and H+ from the blood.". Um...so you put in NaHCO₃ to get rid of HCO₃?????

originally posted by: Gothmog
Speaking as someone who knows cancer intimately , this may be the next big thing. There is a LOT of research by oncologists on the effect of acidic blood and cancer . Cancer thrives on acidic blood. So Baking Soda alkalizes the blood .

Just for the naysayers.

The confusion with cancer and acidic environment is very common with laymen: it is not an acidic environment that causes cancer to grow, it is the other way round, cancer causes the acidic environment.

Our blood and tissues are slightly alkaline, not acidic and we keep it within a tight range. Food and drinks cannot change it.

Baking Soda does not change blood PH, basic physiology.

a reply to: TerryDon79

ETA: Funny thing is is he says this "The lungs and kidneys respond to pH changes by removing CO2, HCO3-, and H+ from the blood.". Um...so you put in NaHCO₃ to get rid of HCO₃?????

Ahhhh, Le Chatelier and his strange principle, bicarbonate buffer system, compensation, congugated base, weak acid... So hard to understand...

originally posted by: Agartha

originally posted by: Gothmog
Speaking as someone who knows cancer intimately , this may be the next big thing. There is a LOT of research by oncologists on the effect of acidic blood and cancer . Cancer thrives on acidic blood. So Baking Soda alkalizes the blood .

Just for the naysayers.

The confusion with cancer and acidic environment is very common with laymen: it is not an acidic environment that causes cancer to grow, it is the other way round, cancer causes the acidic environment.

Our blood and tissues are slightly alkaline, not acidic and we keep it within a tight range. Food and drinks cannot change it.

Baking Soda does not change blood PH, basic physiology.

Did you read and understand my first statement ? My post didnt come from Google . It came from experience (well , the part about baking soda did) . I take a heavy alkaline additive daily . And check my blood acid level .
Know what an Oncologist is ? I have been seeing 2 and a specialist for 5 years now. Know what Winship Cancer Clinic is ? . Google that .
Baking Soda helps to MAINTAIN the PH Factor of the blood. Basic physiology .

a reply to: Gothmog

Baking Soda helps to MAINTAIN the PH Factor of the blood. Basic physiology .

I'm sure you can back that up, right?

I posted this roughly 22 hours ago....

Here's a challenge to anyone who believes "baking soda cures cancer".

Show me some evidence that it works in a living human.

Not testimonials.
Not petri dishes.
Not mice.
Not some persons blog or YouTube video.

Show me some real evidence.

And I'm still waiting.

originally posted by: TerryDon79
I posted this roughly 22 hours ago....

Here's a challenge to anyone who believes "baking soda cures cancer".

Show me some evidence that it works in a living human.

Not testimonials.
Not petri dishes.
Not mice.
Not some persons blog or YouTube video.

Show me some real evidence.

And I'm still waiting.

Loaded it up a little didnt you ?
Testimonials - Hell , how do you do that ?
Mice ? Silly
Not some persons blog or you tube. - Experience , my boy , experience. Unfortunately , I had to get the recommendation for a LOT of things first hand.Including surgeries , chemo , alkaline supplements , change in diabetes medication (yes , it is believed now that diabetes may be a cause of cancer . Not a by-product) , and even baking soda to go with the alkaline supplement.
Well known cancer thrives in acidic blood

Does it cure cancer ? Not in my pay grade to answer. Could it assist ? Damn , I hope so. If an Oncologist says try , I am game for anything right now