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originally posted by: Deny Arrogance
Susan Rice Ordered Spy Agencies To Produce ‘Detailed Spreadsheets’ Involving Trump
dailycaller.com...
originally posted by: tribal
a reply to: MysticPearl
you raise a good point. There seems to be a lot of selective memory going on with the rapid pace of development on stories like this one..
just curious, could you dig up any MSM articles corroborating what youre alleging? I dont disbelieve you, but it woudl be nice to see that for the sake of context and comparison.
On a separate note....has someone, anyone, assembled a timeline of the RussoTrump conspiracy? I would love to see a timeline with MSM citations showing when allegations and suspicions FIRST PUBLICLY surfaced and watch how they developed.
I have a strong suspicion and fear that thigns are going so fast ppl are forgetting how the narrative keeps shifting and changing in ways to make each side look as good as possible.
originally posted by: burgerbuddy
originally posted by: RazorV66
a reply to: Krazysh0t
If there is incidental collection, who says that unmasking has to occur?
Bullsh*t
If there is incidental collection, the names have to be masked.
And unmasking is ILLEGAL.
A felony.
originally posted by: Pyle
originally posted by: tribal
a reply to: MysticPearl
you raise a good point. There seems to be a lot of selective memory going on with the rapid pace of development on stories like this one..
just curious, could you dig up any MSM articles corroborating what youre alleging? I dont disbelieve you, but it woudl be nice to see that for the sake of context and comparison.
On a separate note....has someone, anyone, assembled a timeline of the RussoTrump conspiracy? I would love to see a timeline with MSM citations showing when allegations and suspicions FIRST PUBLICLY surfaced and watch how they developed.
I have a strong suspicion and fear that thigns are going so fast ppl are forgetting how the narrative keeps shifting and changing in ways to make each side look as good as possible.
Here you go from reddit/r/trumpinvestigation. Publicly sourced Trump-Russia connection
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: UKTruth
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Dfairlite
Did Rice even have the authority to ask for an unmasking of names as a National Security Adviser?
I suspect she had help from Obama.
She certainly did not have the authority to leak it to the press.
What evidence do you have that she had help from Obama?
Also, again, does she have the authority to unmask names?
Funny, not so long ago the defence was that the intelligence community was nothing to do with Obama, now we know his own Whitehouse staff requesting the unmasking your argument has shifted.
As you well know she had the authority to request the unmasking...i.e. "i'd like to spy on Trump and his campaign please".
You keep asking 'Did she have the authority'. Strange. Presumably you want to deflect.
The argument is done.
Obama was spying on Trump and his campaign.
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth
Funny, not so long ago the defence was that the intelligence community was nothing to do with Obama, now we know his own Whitehouse staff requesting the unmasking your argument has shifted.
I've made no such argument and no one has provided proof that someone in her position has the authority to unmask names.
As you well know she had the authority to request the unmasking...i.e. "i'd like to spy on Trump and his campaign please".
Please prove that. I've not seen where she has the authority to do so.
You keep asking 'Did she have the authority'. Strange. Presumably you want to deflect.
It's a basic, elementary question. If you are going to claim she had the authority, it would be logical to ask if she had the authority to do so.
Strange. Logic is considered deflection.
The argument is done.
Obama was spying on Trump and his campaign.
The argument will be done when you can prove what you claim.
White House lawyers last month learned that the former national security adviser Susan Rice requested the identities of U.S. persons in raw intelligence reports on dozens of occasions that connect to the Donald Trump transition and campaign, according to U.S. officials familiar with the matter. The pattern of Rice's requests was discovered in a National Security Council review of the government's policy on "unmasking" the identities of individuals in the U.S. who are not targets of electronic eavesdropping, but whose communications are collected incidentally. Normally those names are redacted from summaries of monitored conversations and appear in reports as something like "U.S. Person One."
The National Security Council's senior director for intelligence, Ezra Cohen-Watnick, was conducting the review, according to two U.S. officials who spoke with Bloomberg View on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss it publicly. In February Cohen-Watnick discovered Rice's multiple requests to unmask U.S. persons in intelligence reports that related to Trump transition activities. He brought this to the attention of the White House General Counsel's office, who reviewed more of Rice's requests and instructed him to end his own research into the unmasking policy.
The intelligence reports were summaries of monitored conversations -- primarily between foreign officials discussing the Trump transition, but also in some cases direct contact between members of the Trump team and monitored foreign officials. One U.S. official familiar with the reports said they contained valuable political information on the Trump transition such as whom the Trump team was meeting, the views of Trump associates on foreign policy matters and plans for the incoming administration. Rice did not respond to an email seeking comment on Monday morning. Her role in requesting the identities of Trump transition officials adds an important element to the dueling investigations surrounding the Trump White House since the president's inauguration.
I rather hope she didn't have the authority, as it will make what she did and those who worked with her face even more trouble.
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth
I rather hope she didn't have the authority, as it will make what she did and those who worked with her face even more trouble.
So you don't know if she had the authority or not.
Ok.
I'd like to actually get the answer to that question before I form any opinion on that matter. All you have provided are contradicting statements. First you say she had the authority. The you say you hope she didn't.
You don't have a clue, apparently.
What? You'd like to know whether she had the authority to request unmasking even though she did it?
That is hilarious. I am going to use that defence next time I get caught speeding..
originally posted by: Pyle
originally posted by: burgerbuddy
originally posted by: RazorV66
a reply to: Krazysh0t
If there is incidental collection, who says that unmasking has to occur?
Bullsh*t
If there is incidental collection, the names have to be masked.
And unmasking is ILLEGAL.
A felony.
UNAUTHORIZED unmasking is illegal.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Dfairlite
Scapegoat for what? There is no evidence that the unmasking was even illegal.
So the question here is why the unmasking here. Why the running about giving this intel to
originally posted by: Pyle
originally posted by: burgerbuddy
originally posted by: RazorV66
a reply to: Krazysh0t
If there is incidental collection, who says that unmasking has to occur?
Bullsh*t
If there is incidental collection, the names have to be masked.
And unmasking is ILLEGAL.
A felony.
UNAUTHORIZED unmasking is illegal.
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth
What? You'd like to know whether she had the authority to request unmasking even though she did it?
Yes. I'd like to know if she had the authority to unmask names. That was the question I asked in my very first post.
That is hilarious. I am going to use that defence next time I get caught speeding..
I proposed no such defense. I've only asked a question. One which you apparently cannot answer. You claim she does have the authority, then hope she doesn't.
You're just wasting my time with partisan nonsense and don't have a clue of what you are talking about.
“What was produced by the intelligence community at the request of Ms. Rice were detailed spreadsheets of intercepted phone calls with unmasked Trump associates in perfectly legal conversations with individuals” diGenova told The Daily Caller News Foundation Investigative Group Monday. “The overheard conversations involved no illegal activity by anybody of the Trump associates, or anyone they were speaking with,” diGenova said. “In short, the only apparent illegal activity was the unmasking of the people in the calls.”