Fall of the Anti-War Movement: Did the Liberals ever actually care about ending wars?

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I agreed with your post mostly, up to the point where you liken conservatives to being war mongers when you just exposed the Progressive Left for letting Obama get away with his own brand of war mongering. The truth is that the CFR and the Shadow Party run the government and they are the military industrial complex Eisenhower warned about(although he reportedly sold us out to the Extraterrestrials for some advanced technology).
Both democrat and republican are members of the CFR as are some celebrities like Angelina Jolie. Its bipartisan. Anthony Sutton said it best when he explained that the Hegelian managed conflict of opposites creates the NWO synthesis neither right nor left.
Anyway, one must remember that Russia was in WWII even while operating the gulags.....communism is and always was a revolutionary war machine, clenched fists and all. Look how many communist military juntas there have been while Marxist Revolutionaries tried to take over China, Cuba, Viet Nam, South America, Cambodia, parts of Africa...
The whole time the anti war movement was operable during the Viet Nam War.... the leftist radicals like the SDS opposed the US military fighting a war against who???? but the Communist Viet Cong. People like Jane Fonda sided with the communists.....and Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn themselves were part of SDS and were at Kent State involved with the fires and stirring up of students to protest.
article about Jane and the communist party www.frontpagemag.com...

No, of course they never cared about being anti-war.

The majority of liberals supported the Iraq War.

Liberals got us into Vietnam.

All the liberal anti-war protesters were just taken advantage of as useful idiots.

a reply to: RedDragon

Vietnam was Kennedies brain trust. Thats why Oswald was the Patsy programmed by the CIA to assassinate him on that fateful morning in there motrcade pulling through dealers Plaza. And after Oswald was Rubied by Jack "Night Club Owner" their were no witneses. You may recall that LBJ swore an oath. Well, that was liberal idology in action.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I am glad that your thread recognizes that the "Tea Party" movement was originally headed by Ron Paul and the Libertarians, but later hijacked by Fox news and establishment republicans such as Sarah Palin who then claimed it as their own while completely shunning Ron Paul.

Another interesting thing to note, is that the "Occupy Wall Street" movement also had support from most Ron Paul supporters until the left hijacked it so extreme that they began to shun the Ron Paul supporters by various means. This, IMO was the birth of the "SJW" movement. The crazy far left SJW's pushed out all the libertarians and began whining about things that barely even mattered. This was a pivotal time where MANY Paul supporters, mostly millennial ones, were sucked into the leftist ideology so much so that they had completely forgot about the message Ron Paul had, and instead made a 360 degree turn headed strait to the 100% support of socialism in the U.S. Which, BTW had NOTHING to do with what Ron Paul was conveying.

They then stopped making priorities about ending the FED, IRS and corporate lobby-ism, but rather got into issues that involved false injustices, rampant boogeyman white racists etc etc. It snowballed. I watched it happen in real time. I swear it was like someone was passing around a pill that made everyone zombies. THOSE people are still extreme lefties with the SJW sickness to this day. Whatever brainwashing technique that was used, was VERY effective. IT was WEIRD and sad to watch. BUT, grounded libertarians stayed grounded. They didn't go with the "fad" that so many ex Paul supporting now "liberals" did. I am an example of that, but I am also not a millennial...so there is that. BUT, some serious social engineering went on at that time. A seriously big-time mass brainwashing operation happened.

Anyway. Good thread as always, just thought I would go a little more in depth about that particular period of time in recent history from my own perspective. I was an active pro "liberty movement" activist at that time, still am. I see the hate and hypocrisy from the left, I hate watching the constant narrative by them and the media and Hollywood that is actively shutting down those with opposing views within society. My views, which were once independent, have shifted right without even changing one damn opinion.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

If its any consolation to you liberals did not reward Obama with Hillary as President. So you get to have Trump who is against their "Blow Up The Middle East Agenda" as you called it with his pro-peace(?) "Bomb the # out of them!" campaign promise and current military tactics.

www.youtube.com...

I also want to preface my reply that I did not vote for Obama or Hillary.

War protests generally happen when new major wars break out and over fears of being drafted to fight in them. The Obama years brought nothing new in terms of major conflicts with boots on the ground. US troop deaths were way down which lowered draft fears. Libya and Syria were not boots on the ground invasions and occupations during the Obama years. In my 40 years of life I have not seen too many take to the streets to protest those types of military actions where ground troops are not involved and bloody occupations aren't happening. Air strikes have been met with yawns in Iraq before 9/11.

I'm not here to try to stop you from calling liberals hypocrites for being against Donald Trump's peaceful(?) military operations. May Donald succeed in finally extricating the U.S. from wars in the Middle East, but I do have incredibly strong doubts on his ability to do that.

a reply to: Frith

Reminds me of when Bush declared that major combat operations were over in Iraq. Fascinating that was as the body count that went into the hundreds of thousands hadn't barely begun yet.

Yet the antiwar movement only grew stronger as the years ticked on.... right up until Obama.

Then they blew up the Middle East, and liberals came out swinging (literally) this election to ramrod Hillary down everyones throats. And they've been calling Trump "literally Hitler". I wonder what that makes her, them?



ObamaHillaryCo.'s TIMELINE OF TERROR In The Middle East

But I guess it only counts if its US troops on the ground?

Imagine what liberals would have done to McCain if he had beat Obama and been the one to order thousands killed via drone strikes?

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Nice. It's weird how that's the post you addressed rather than the elephant in the room. I described when and how this SJW thing happened and just got skimmed passed, apparently. Well I guess it makes sense that the REAL issues get lost in the obscurity of BS establishment politics, as usual.

Carry on.

a reply to: Wookiep

Oh, I opened the last post and saw that and responded without even realizing you had posted in.

I was tuned out around the Occupy time. I knew it was happening. I knew about when it ended, and even caught a headline about liberal crazies bringing it down, but wasn't reading past an headlines during those times. I missed the whole SJW conversion of the left, so when I stepped out of my time capsule last year I was blown away. I had mostly expected 'just more bs left/right drama' not worth paying attention to would have been going on, but this beast was something else. Before them I could read headlines and have a pretty good idea what it was all about, the bs propaganda angles, etc. But after SJW I could not. SO when the riots where breaking out at the Trump rallies a year ago I had no context of wtf is going on with everyone.

originally posted by: Wookiep
My views, which were once independent, have shifted right without even changing one damn opinion.

I feel ya. There are various lefties in this site used to cheer me on in my anti-American Imperialism debates around here. Now I'm like the devil (devil, white).

a reply to: Wookiep

Occupy Unmasked is worth a watch.

I liked your analysis of how the world changed when the Tea Party was seemingly hijacked.

originally posted by: D8Tee
when the Tea Party was seemingly hijacked.

It was. In 2010 my job had me driving a lot. A couple times a week I'd turn on Glenn Beck. It seemed like every time I did he'd carry on about the Tea Party Movement, never not one single time did he ever mention anything to do about Ron Paul, while at least once I actually heard him carry on attributing the entire thing to some old granny in a place like Georgia as being the one who started it all.

It was so weird, he sounded just like Alex Jones all the sudden post-Ron Paul campaign, and yet it was all skewed towards the GOP and Fox News are the saviors type noise. I blame him specifically for co-opting the "Tea Party" movement. I'll never forgive him.

a reply to: D8Tee

I would be interested to see the video you posted. It says that it has been blocked in the U.S., however. Have another link?

NVM, found it free online. Watching now.

a reply to: Wookiep




Interesting, I couldn't find another link for it that would play without pay.

I do see it's on the Bay with 4 seeders.

Alternatively you might be able to download it from youtube with 4k video downloader, might work even if it's blocked in your country.

That or put a Canadian VPN on.

Or pay the four bucks to watch it.

Here's the paid link from youtube, funny how you can watch it for free in Canada.

a reply to: D8Tee

Here's the link I found for anyone interested.

sockshare.net...

originally posted by: TheScale

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: projectvxn

Not true. There always have been and always will be anti-war pacifists on the Left wing. The Democratic Party simply ignores and opposes us until they need to use our outrage for political gain. Our views include things like diplomacy instead of war, joining the ICC, nuclear disarmament, drastic reduction of the defense budget, ending our perpetual wars, etc.

However, our views have always been less popular than the stereotypes. As in, many people in the center-left and left are just as pro-security, pro-military, pro-investment in defense related industries as the right wing. The difference is typically in what tactics to use. This is why the leadership in the center-right Democratic Party routinely ignores the pacifists and supports various forms of "military interventions". The Democratic Party is only center-left on social issues.

This is like claiming that all conservatives are pro-war. I know for a fact that wouldn't be true, since I know quite a few conservatives who claim to hate the MIC, hate the constant wars, and think we should mind our own business.

And this is why many of us dont see any option at fixing the problem unless rome burns to the ground. the machine is too well maintained for us to affect its trajectory.

Burning it to the ground won't change anything either. The wealthy would still be wealthy and the powerful would still have connections & the knowledge to rebuild civilization as they see fit. Many of them already have properties, wealth, and connections throughout the rest of the world. So it would be easy for them to relocate, wait out the upheaval, & then return when the dust settles to reclaim things. And as long as most people have a price, we'll keep losing.

Speaking just about my anecdotal experience, I attended some anti-war protests as a point of principal, rather than as a link to left/right politics (I was younger and more naïve and more idealistic - probably more self-righteous too). My personal involvement reduced and ended due to cynicism (it made no difference), some violence that occurred at some of the protests and seeing politics being dragged into it more and more (it became left vs right, counter actions by local right wing groups). I suppose it was sort of fatigue over time - if this did happen to a whole swathe of young people at the time it could explain the decline of the movement over time?

However, this is just very specific to a certain time and certain places in the uk, so can't necessarily be generalised to all especially in the US.

originally posted by: 727Sky
What gets me is people can not see how rotten to the core some of their past and present heroes are. They are blindly faithful because they think someone much smarter than themselves will take care of stuff... When the reality is some of these supposedly smart people are just like all the rest of us.. We we need a village and go along with the masses etc etc... IMO many times the sheeple masses are really spelled without the "m" yet their voices carry far and wide.

Oh, the perceived "smarter than themselves" will take care of stuff, allright. THEIR stuff. Ever wanted to have a bad road paved? Make sure a politician moves to the end of it. Ever want your country invaded? Make sure you do something to threaten the Status Quo (petro dollar, etc.).

My feeling is that almost all decisions being made by the few in charge, ultimately benefit themselves or people they know or are related to. It's a complete... swamp of lobbyism and special interests.

Rich people (the 1% in particular) need to keep the rest in check, to protect their stuff. So they take care of it, while spewing all sorts of gibberish that will convince the "hoi polloi" that they give a F.

When you listen to recordings of some of these politicians (or mouth-breathers as often seems to be the case), one does wonder how they are even able to open a laptop or start their car.

Because they are idiots. Idiots with friends in the right places.

But DO they have power? Indeed they have.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Something to ponder

If liberals buy into msm, then they are more deluded than even trump fans

Something to ponder

a reply to: enlightenedservant

Yes I would agree

But leaving things as they are

Is that the solution ?

a reply to: Wookiep

I have no idea where that subtext of TEA Party came from. I joined it at the time because I felt royally betrayed by the bail outs. I felt that the banks should have gone down no matter the pain and that the government had zero business bailing them out.

But maybe I spent more time listening at my grandpa's knee than they would have liked me too.

What's the point of protesting wars when republicans have been the majority since 2010? The people spoke that they wanted wars. Until, everyone wants the wars to end, futile to hope otherwise.

Why don't they show the war on the news every night like they did the Nam war? And bringing the body bags home? That made people aware of the sacrifices.