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posted on Apr, 1 2017 @ 12:31 PM

originally posted by: interupt42

Although the DNC isn't really any better with net neutrality. It just so happened that we the regular joes and joettes were just lucky that two oligarch industry wen't to war with each other (Online tech vs Telecom), which doesn't happen often. Luckily for us the Online tech won on the net neutrality issue which as a side effect benefitted the regular joes and joetes of the world. In the recent change both the Online tech & Telecom industry benefited from the change hence it wasn't stopped.

Good Post
I said the same thing a few years ago where the Corporate and Banking Lobbyists go to the government to fight it out among themselves.

No matter who wins on either side, the average American still loses.
Obamacare is a perfect example of the strangle hold lobbyists have on this nation.

People say government is the problem, but deep pocket lobbyists are the ones that make it a problem.

What I really don't understand is how people say the government should be run like a business.
The purpose of a business is to reward the owner and shareholders.
The owners are the politicians and the shareholders are the lobbyists.

The average American is not included in that arrangement and are also the ones that pay for it.

In a perfect world, Corporate and Banking Lobbyists and Politicians should be the ones that pay all the taxes and everyone else should pay 0 taxes since politicians are only working for them

posted on Apr, 1 2017 @ 12:37 PM

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: CB328

Republicans and dems are immoral and for the most part are not serving the people, they serve the lobby.

Health care is going to have to crash to be fixed. It's the real world, hence Obama care, hence no-repubcare.

Status quo.

Either way the wind blows, the Insurance and Health Care Industry needs to take a paycut and they are fighting tooth and nail to stop that, but they cannot squeeze blood from a stone

Corporate and Banking Lobbyists were A OK with Globalism when the profits were rolling in, in using cheap labor in Communists Countries but then they ran out of other peoples money to prop up their operations here in the USA.

Wages have stagnated for the average American but the Healthcare and Insurance Industry want to keep the same money and more coming in. The math does not work.

posted on Apr, 1 2017 @ 12:45 PM

originally posted by: GreyScale
a reply to: interupt42

I'm in your shoes and agree almost entirely. I'm upset about even the premise of RyanCare. Then, criticizing the Freedom Caucus? Did someone forget how 1 in 2 Americans voted for you?

If he had a brain in his head he'd do two things.

One, fire his inner circle and look for someone actually conservative to chat with. You know, the people that put you there to NOT be the political norm.

Two, stop the daily press "gotcha question" circus. Get rid of the press conference.. they are not there to report news anyway, otherwise they might be covering employment, real health care problems.. someone might ask why spending 2 billion dollars a day when our country makes less then that is bad?

Have a conference once a week with a sampling of normal Americans and answer their questions. Let the press report on that. Then possibly the press can start reporting actual news again instead of a 24/7 whine about Trump.

Really? Regular Joe has the wherewithal to replace actual journalism? You want to live in a society when a politician's feet cannot be held to the fire by the Fourth Estate?

You, sir, are every elected official's dream come true!
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posted on Apr, 1 2017 @ 12:52 PM

originally posted by: WeRpeons

I couldn't agree more. Until we get the money out of politics and kick these career politicians out of office, our government will never listen to the voice of the people they represent.

It is not just career politicians and term limits either
If the deep pockets are allowed to continue to put their people in politics, then we will be right back where we started.
The amount people can fund toward any candidates should be limited

And before anyone says what about my freedom of speech to pay as much as I want for any candidate?
Well, how is that working out where the billionaires are able to shout out over everyone else?
It is damaging to everyone else just like shouting fire in a theater is.

posted on Apr, 1 2017 @ 01:50 PM
a reply to: jacobe001

I agree. I think all candidates should be capped at a set amount of money. No candidate should be able to spend more money than the other. All campaigns should be on equal footing without any kind of financial advantage. The media should be required to grant a set amount of free advertising for each candidate. Hotels should also be required to give free hotel accommodations to candidates. The same would go for car and bus rentals. All these businesses should then be allowed to write-off these expenses on their taxes for that particular year. These expenditures all contribute towards establishing equal and fair campaigns. This would be considered a corporate civic duty to a democratic society.

Today, if you're not rich or have any kind of political or corporate backing you can't run for president. We need to have a system where anyone, regardless of what their net worth, can run for a political office.

posted on Apr, 1 2017 @ 01:54 PM
a reply to: interupt42

I agree with you about 98%.

I even starred your post.

Jesus, what is happening???

Specifically term limits, their salaries and benefits cut, campaign finance closely regulated.

All of them Red and Blue.

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posted on Apr, 1 2017 @ 01:55 PM

originally posted by: CB328

you can't get morally superior and ethical politicians to fix healthcare when they have conflict of interest

Republicans are immoral so you're premise is bogus.

That's as irrational as saying that all Democrats are communists.

Not helping.

posted on Apr, 1 2017 @ 01:58 PM
a reply to: interupt42

Trump can only sign laws, not enact them.

No congressman will ever vote for term limits.

posted on Apr, 1 2017 @ 02:25 PM
a reply to: interupt42

If there's one thing that gets on my nerves, it's when particular members constantly create threads to push their political party agendas. Voters really need to stop defending their party and candidates, and start defending and speaking up on issues that transcend party lines and directly affects the majority of Americans. Heck we didn't even see an honest debate and discussion on the congressional floor for this new GOP healthcare bill! I think our representatives have a duty to present details of a bill in a manner in which all Americans can understand how it will eventually affect themselves and their families.

I've also said that if congress can't come to an agreement on a bill without putting party bickering aside, then the issue should be placed on the ballot and let the voters decide what plan or part of the plan they want or prefer.

posted on Apr, 2 2017 @ 12:54 PM
a reply to: interupt42

Good OP. I've been trying to explain to everyone I can that the ACA IS NOT AND NEVER WAS INTENDED TO BE SOCIALISM. What it is however is CORPORATISM and while all of our free market capitalist libertarian friends have been whining about our communist healthcare system the reality is many of those whom they have sought to deregulate are in fact responsible for all of this. The health insurance companies and their lobbyist devised a very effective way to legally coerce people into purchasing a product that they may not want nor need.

While it has had the effect of enriching these jackass's it has also screwed the working person. I don't have a great solution but I think a single payer system based on the expansion of Medicare and Medicaid would be a good start. What all of the free marketers don't get is that healthcare isn't like a piece of prime rib. It shouldn't be luxury that you decide to purchase. In modern society everyone needs it and the insurance companies know this. They have an effectively created a monopoly for a life or death commodity where they(insurers, big pharma, hospitals, etc.) are essentially able to collaborate on price fixing. At this period in human society, especially considering all of the technological advancements and resources that we possess, adequate healthcare should be a right. Not a privilege. How to pay for all of this you ask? Well we could start by not investing financially in the overthrow of governments around the world and intentionally keeping the middle East and Africa in perpetual chaos.

posted on Apr, 2 2017 @ 11:38 PM
a reply to: interupt42

The GOP and the DNC have always been trash. Trump is fighting against the entire establishment on both sides. I find it interesting that people still believe the Retardicans ever wanted to get rid of Obamacare in the first place. The same lobbyists fund both sides.

Obamacare was the largest fleecing of the people since the Federal Reserve Act.

FORCING every single person in the country to PURCHASE overpriced health insurance? What a corporation's dream!

They won't stop until they control every single fiat dollar in our wallets.

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