Tillerson confirms. No lift of Russia sanctions until Russia returns Crimea to Ukraine

Methinks this is unrealistic. Crimea was annexed by Russia on March 21, 2014. It's been more than 3 years. There are no Ukrainian citizens in Crimea. There are several million Russian citizens in Crimea. Plus, Russia sacrificed hundreds of thousands of soldiers in the Crimean war when it battled Britain, France, Italy, Turkey to keep Crimea, so Crimea holds historical value to Russia.

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a reply to: allsee4eye

Are our sanctions having an effect? Russia seems to be doing just fine, if you watch/read the USA MSM. They're very VERY powerful and influential.

a reply to: allsee4eye
like it or not. It was a Ukraine territory.

a reply to: carewemust

Sanctions have no effect. There is hardly any trade between Russia and the US. All I know is Boeing was supposed to sell 20 747-8 planes to Russia last year.

www.reuters.com...

a reply to: Golantrevize

Crimea was Ukrainian territory from 1991 to 2014. Ukraine still claims it like Syria still claims Golan.

a reply to: allsee4eye

Ha ha. It is actually verry funny and sad. Cause no one in the real free world give a 2 ticks and a flying f$$$k about usa. In fact the more and the longer the the sanctions the better for Russia. The only people who really suffer is the eu and usa.

a reply to: therealfreeworld

What is the real free world?

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: therealfreeworld

What is the real free world?

Ummm...methinks he/she means anything not of the west...especially the good ole USofA...

Cause we definitely know we're not free over here...
Other than free to have our privacy anal probed...free to be subject to laws that the movers and shakers can summarily ignore...

All this freedom actually seems quite costly...



YouSir

a reply to: allsee4eye

It was Ukrainian territory since the 50's. Despite being part of the Soviet Union, Ukraine, or more specifically The Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, was an autonomous republic within the Soviet Union and was gifted Crimea by Russia in 1954 to promote unity between the two.

a reply to: YouSir

We have the right to free speech still. The surveillance is just collecting.... For now.

a reply to: YouSir

Not free in the USA?? Is someone stopping you with threat of force from traveling out of your home, exploring your country, or saying anything you want to say? I feel pretty free myself. Since the USA sucks and is not free though, I suppose the world can keep their refugees in the "real free world" and there would be no controversy for keeping them out.

And yet strangely ...

originally posted by: Golantrevize
a reply to: allsee4eye
like it or not. It was a Ukraine territory.

Emphasis on WAS.

Same way as the USA was once native American territory and Normandy Where once British territory. The same way Taiwan was Chinese territory. The same way Korea was Japanese territory. The same

a reply to: Roxxo

That's like Trump giving a piece of Florida to New York. It's not a big deal within the same country. But Khrushchev would have never done that if he knew USSR was going to break up.

a reply to: carewemust

The US' sanctions? Not so much. We actually don't have any economic sanctions against them. They're all political in nature.

Europe's sanctions? Very much so.

Despite what the Russian apologists on this site will claim their economy isn't doing great. That's what happens when a significant portion of your economy is dependent on a single resource. Not to mention the rampant corruption at all levels of government.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Russia dropped what? Hundreds of thousands of bombs on Syria since 2015. That's a major source of economy for them.

Let's be fair. First, the US sanctions are a formality at best. All they do is prevent certain individuals from entering the country. Second, Russia is not giving back Crimea. It's just not realistic at this point. Russia has managed to get rid of anyone that wasnt supportive of the "referendum" which technically means that every citizen of Crimea are Russian. Not only that but the civil war in Ukraine has more or less destroyed any other center of industry. So I can't imagine the people of Crimea would be thrilled to rejoin an obliterated economy and then be the only region actually contributing.

a reply to: allsee4eye

Oil accounts for 16% of Russia's GDP and 70% of their exports. When other countries stopped buying Russian oil it struck a major blow.

a reply to: worldstarcountry


Ummm...when justice is served equally across the board...and the movers and shakers are subject to the same justice that the lowest of the low is...then maybe you have an argument...

Until then...feel free to break and in their face ignore all the laws that don't apply to your masters...yet apply to you...
let me know how that works out for ya...

Free my ass...your a subject of the state...a tax ID number...nothing more...





YouSir

a reply to: Xcalibur254

If no one buys their oil then they use it themselves. They have a small population. Lots of resources.

a reply to: CriticalStinker


Ummm...no...no you don't...you don't have the right to freely speak as you wish...now we (Canada still the west) have anti blasphemy legislation moving through the pipe...
Europe has already enacted such laws...
Not to mention what's called hate speech...

Nope...freedom of speech comes with an ever increasing price...cause...Politically correct progressivism...




YouSir