Trump promised to bring back coal jobs. That promise ‘will not be kept,’ experts say.

a reply to: allsee4eye

there will always be coal miners.

But if they are out of work, then what?

Coal is going away. It's a dying fuel. Yes, there is still need for coal and there are still coal jobs, but it's a diminishing industry. Coal miners should know that. If I was a coal miner, I'd be studying for a new career....moving to a new location if need be, starting a business, maybe moving to a country with a thriving coal industry, but that's not a long term prospect.

Am I wrong?

originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: defiythelie

Coal and renewables are not competitors. Coal is required to make steel. Steel is required to make buildings, cars, ships. Even if 100% of electricity is generated by wind and solar, there will always be coal miners.

Good point, but.........

Truth be told, they are indeed competitors when it comes to energy production.

That's not to say that coal doesn't have other uses outside of energy production where it doesn't compete with renewables.

We also need oil to make a lot of things like plastics, so oil will always be needed as well.

But.....Seeing how both have the potential to be harmful to the planet and life in general if used improperly, the less of them we use that way, the better off we'll be.

Maybe we should try to quit, or at least minimize, the burning of those resources for energy production and save them for their more critical uses.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
I don't really like posting threads in the mud pit because I tire of the name calling rather quickly. I had enough of that childish BS while in grade school.

Someone has got to sink down to the liberal level...

In a free market when your industry becomes irrelevant, you go out of business or find a new career. Isn't that the Republican mantra?

Indeed!
That is why you will never hear the word "bailout" in regards to this situation.
Just lots of talk about hard work and finding sound solutions.
Most alternative power sources have a crux most people chose ignore. Like the birds killed at wind farms or the huge sums of water required for solar... and don't even get me started on where the majority of the worlds lithium comes from.

Yet the OP and many other liberals would have you believe coal is "literally Hitler" while promoting unproven inefficient methods. In typical liberal fashion the left have no distinction between the baby and the bath water and would just throw it all out and place all our energy needs in something us unreliable as the sun or the wind.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Out of work? There are still stone crafters. Stone crafters being around for tens of thousands of years. As long as there are coal, there are coal miners.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Not sure if steel can be made without coal. All I know is coal is used to make steel.

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: JAY1980

Your post is complete and utter BS from beginning to end.

I counted 8 logical fallacies, and I didn't even look hard.

originally posted by: JAY1980

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
I don't really like posting threads in the mud pit because I tire of the name calling rather quickly. I had enough of that childish BS while in grade school.

Someone has got to sink down to the liberal level...

In a free market when your industry becomes irrelevant, you go out of business or find a new career. Isn't that the Republican mantra?

Indeed!
That is why you will never hear the word "bailout" in regards to this situation.
Just lots of talk about hard work and finding sound solutions.
Most alternative power sources have a crux most people chose ignore. Like the birds killed at wind farms or the huge sums of water required for solar... and don't even get me started on where the majority of the worlds lithium comes from.

Yet the OP and many other liberals would have you believe coal is "literally Hitler" while promoting unproven inefficient methods. In typical liberal fashion the left have no distinction between the baby and the bath water and would just throw it all out and place all our energy needs in something us unreliable as the sun or the wind.

But the Coal industry is dying with or without subsidies. Solar, Wind, Battery Technology....is taking over.

Again if you're in the coal industry now would be the time to get out...start getting into a new industry. Just like manufacturing is diminishing. There will always be manufacturing but you have to look at it like India, China and many nations in Africa are going through their industrial age....that's where the cheap manufacturing is. You either need to change industries or your business model. I'm in an industry that isn't going anywhere. Fitness/Self Defense. It's right here right now, immediate.

originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Not sure if steel can be made without coal. All I know is coal is used to make steel.

en.wikipedia.org...

I'm not sure why coal is needed. You just need enough energy and heat. That's an interesting question and link. I think that technology is advancing to a degree where steel can be produced with renewable s?

a reply to: amazing

Coal has the highest energy density. More than oil. Maybe that's why. I'm not an expert on steel making.

Different people have different passions, different preferences. Some people like to burn. Some people don't. People should have freedom. Those who wish to do solar and wind should be free to do so. Those who wish to do coal should be free to do so. I am a strong believer in free market and free choice.

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Not sure if steel can be made without coal. All I know is coal is used to make steel.

en.wikipedia.org...

I'm not sure why coal is needed. You just need enough energy and heat. That's an interesting question and link. I think that technology is advancing to a degree where steel can be produced with renewable s?

You can recycle steel in an electric arc furnace without coal but to forge it from scratch they need some of the carbon elements found in coal in order to enhance the alloys.

originally posted by: allsee4eye
Different people have different passions, different preferences. Some people like to burn. Some people don't. People should have freedom. Those who wish to do solar and wind should be free to do so. Those who wish to do coal should be free to do so. I am a strong believer in free market and free choice.

Right up until your choice infringes upon and harms others.

Remember acid rain?

a reply to: Flatfish

Thanks for the input.

They say we are out of the stone age. We are not. In many parts of the world, such as Russia, Ukraine, Syria, where there is socialism, houses are made of stone. Very sturdy.

I am hearing the same thing from people in my area- southwestern va.
the jobs were dwindling before obama's rules, they are attributing it to more reliance on natural gas, like you say, but also they are mentioning automation.

a reply to: dawnstar

These things.

originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: Flatfish

Thanks for the input.

They say we are out of the stone age. We are not. In many parts of the world, such as Russia, Ukraine, Syria, where there is socialism, houses are made of stone. Very sturdy.

It's hard to ridicule a house made of stone. It's probably one of the strongest and longest lasting construction materials know to man.

Just look at the worlds pyramids.

My family from Belgium live in a stone house that's several hundred yrs old and it's as grand today as it was when my family first built it.

I'm good with stone, just don't try selling me one of those mud brick houses I see throughout the Middle East.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: Krazysh0t

How old are you that still remember grade school, I forgot about the idiots when I was in grade school already.

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Anyway, this may not bring back the jobs that were lost but I am sure it will help keep the ones that are still available.

We have to wait and see.

How? The trend has been going down with no signs of stabilizing. If you look at the trend graph, the loss of jobs did even decrease at a steeper rate. This suggests that Obama's policies probably didn't do much to the industry. In fact, consumption's rate of change actually becomes less steep after Obama's policies are signed.

I really don't see this doing much to change anything is really just a political show.