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originally posted by: theruthlessone
Seems to me this Joshua guy is just trolling.... plenty of links to pedophile " rings " has been provided that you are just dismissing so I'm calling you a troll...
Sick topic to troll on too might I add
And only one has actually been a pedophile ring.. The one from Portugal... The rest have been , most likely legit child abuse and sex crimes, but not a ring..
originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: JoshuaCox
And only one has actually been a pedophile ring.. The one from Portugal... The rest have been , most likely legit child abuse and sex crimes, but not a ring..
paedophile/pedophile ring
noun [ C ] UK US pedophile ring uk /ˈpiː.də.faɪl ˌrɪŋ/ us /ˈped.oʊ.faɪl ˌrɪŋ/
a group of people who take part in illegal sexual activity involving children
Joshua, your motives are being questioned because some of us are having trouble understanding just what you are looking for. Help us out here. I am confused to exactly what is troubling you at this point.
According to the Cambridge Dictionary, and almost all other dictionaries, a pedophile ring is a group of people involved in illegal sexual activity involving children.
Almost every example that has been presented, fits that description but you continue to dismiss them. Is it that you disagree with the definition, or are you saying that you don't believe that illegal sexual activity can occur in a group?
originally posted by: chiefsmom
Hey OP.
I just read about a "Pedophile Society" that the dutch had. (I'm guessing just went underground)
Would that not be a Pedophile Ring?
Personally, I don't know why you are being so anal about the label. It saddens me that you are, because it almost seems like your defensive.
(I am not meaning defensive in a personal attack kind of way, but a dismissive, naive kind of way.)
originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: JoshuaCox
And only one has actually been a pedophile ring.. The one from Portugal... The rest have been , most likely legit child abuse and sex crimes, but not a ring..
paedophile/pedophile ring
noun [ C ] UK US pedophile ring uk /ˈpiː.də.faɪl ˌrɪŋ/ us /ˈped.oʊ.faɪl ˌrɪŋ/
a group of people who take part in illegal sexual activity involving children
Joshua, your motives are being questioned because some of us are having trouble understanding just what you are looking for. Help us out here. I am confused to exactly what is troubling you at this point.
According to the Cambridge Dictionary, and almost all other dictionaries, a pedophile ring is a group of people involved in illegal sexual activity involving children.
Almost every example that has been presented, fits that description but you continue to dismiss them. Is it that you disagree with the definition, or are you saying that you don't believe that illegal sexual activity can occur in a group?
Do you think that is the definition the vast majority of people envision when they hear about a pedo ring being busted??? Or do you think the average person envisions a pizza gate.
originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: JoshuaCox
Do you think that is the definition the vast majority of people envision when they hear about a pedo ring being busted??? Or do you think the average person envisions a pizza gate.
I guess it depends on where you stand and how much you know. I know way more than I ever hoped to know, and after spending a few hours with a child that has fallen victim to this crime, your thoughts may change a bit.
The first mistake I think you are making is thinking that pedophile rings all have to be some gigantic operation with star players.You will have to just trust me on this, but the size of the operation has little to do with the number of children that are abused or destroyed.
Take a look at the fly by nights that move from event to event, any place where there my be a bunch of guys that are from out of town, that think they can give into their wanton desires, faceless, and able to disappear, after the event is over.
I believe your view of a pedophile ring has been distorted by the media. There are men of wealth and power that make contractual arrangements with high level and sometimes high profile Sirs and Madams, that provide for their clients particular taste. These people did not get where they are in life by being stupid, honest, or by advertising their perversions to the common public. Depending on the services being supplied the client, this could fix comfortably into the definition of a ring.
The kingpins that run pedophile rings are not stationary. Any list found on the internet identifying existing pedophile rings will not be made to the public. The goal is to save the children and to shut those operations down. Advertising the who, how, and whys of the operations does not make that happen.
I think I understand now. You think that pedophile rings don't exist because you believe that PG was a made up thing. Well, PG may have been a made up name, and they may have gotten the name of some of the players wrong, but the activities and the crimes that make up the tale of PG are very real.
I think you are looking at the tail of an elephant and dismissing the rest of the animal, because you found out you where not holding a snake.
Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Crimes regarding pedophilia are very prevalent and if you are willing to dismiss all because one case does not fit neatly into your perceived vision, than you are throwing a lot of children out to be victimized.
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
originally posted by: Barliman
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
Ok to start let's set the definition for a pedophile ring..
For the point of this discussion , let's define a pedophile ring as a group of people who recruit or purchase children for the purpose of using them for in person sex. Where you have multiple offenders (let's say.. more than 10 people ) with more than ten victims being passed around..
Joshua, the problem here is that your definition of pedophile ring is not the accepted one:
dictionary.cambridge.org...
Defn: A group of people who take part in illegal sexual activity involving children.
You have been given plenty of examples that meet both the agreed definition and your own.
The passing around of victims usually occurs by passing them between sites.
This is an area where we all need to be very careful as if we encounter say child porn on the internet we are probably at risk of prosecution if we do not report it- one surely would be in Australia.
So definitions count.
The reports I have heard (sorry can't give reference state that 11,000 of Britain's 65,000 prison inmates are in for pedophilia related crimes.
That maybe the dictionary definition but when we refer to a prostitution ring , we are not talking about one pimp with two hookers..
When we are referring to a dog fighting ring, we are not referring to one guy who brings a couple friends over to watch his personal dogs fight..
A guy who picks up a little extra pot for his bday when he gets some, would not be considered a drug ring.
Don't get me wrong..
A single instance of child molestation isn't really any better than if pizza gate were actually real, but let's make sure we are actually taking about the same thing rather than using "pedophile ring" as a click bait stand in for every sexual crime commited on a child.
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn
The reason for the thread in the first place was an honest curiousity of how many confirmable times this kinda thing has actually occurred..
What percent of the problem of child molestation in the US is from pedo rings as I'm defining them , including smaller groups without a bigwig involved???
Maybe 2%????
MAYBE 2% and I think I'm being generous there..
Now what percent of media and even regular conversation coverage do super secret pizza gate type pedo rings get??
Where is the average lay person's attention being going to actually help the problem??
originally posted by: Barliman
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn
The reason for the thread in the first place was an honest curiousity of how many confirmable times this kinda thing has actually occurred..
What percent of the problem of child molestation in the US is from pedo rings as I'm defining them , including smaller groups without a bigwig involved???
Maybe 2%????
MAYBE 2% and I think I'm being generous there..
Now what percent of media and even regular conversation coverage do super secret pizza gate type pedo rings get??
Where is the average lay person's attention being going to actually help the problem??
Simple - these crimes are usually covered up (whether big organised rings or individual bent priests. Those cover ups have been successful because the weight of political pressure has prevented the police from adequately investigating the matter.
If the media is not going to properly cover the matter then direct action is needed- remember that personal action is part of being a citizen in a democracy.
Remember that the priveleged media owners have many friendships in common with some of the politicians who have been involved in these behaviours, and they will protect their friends even if they have no personal involvement.
Involvement of individual citizens can have great results. In Australia we have many great examples of citizen activism:
We got the vote for women virtually before any country.
It was citizen activism that gave full rights to our indigenous people.
It got us out of that ridiculous Vietnam War and ended the Draft.
It saved The Franklin Gordon Rivers from being dammed- and that area is one of the last great wildernesses left on the planet.
originally posted by: Barliman
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
originally posted by: Barliman
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
Ok to start let's set the definition for a pedophile ring..
For the point of this discussion , let's define a pedophile ring as a group of people who recruit or purchase children for the purpose of using them for in person sex. Where you have multiple offenders (let's say.. more than 10 people ) with more than ten victims being passed around..
Joshua, the problem here is that your definition of pedophile ring is not the accepted one:
dictionary.cambridge.org...
Defn: A group of people who take part in illegal sexual activity involving children.
You have been given plenty of examples that meet both the agreed definition and your own.
The passing around of victims usually occurs by passing them between sites.
This is an area where we all need to be very careful as if we encounter say child porn on the internet we are probably at risk of prosecution if we do not report it- one surely would be in Australia.
So definitions count.
The reports I have heard (sorry can't give reference state that 11,000 of Britain's 65,000 prison inmates are in for pedophilia related crimes.
That maybe the dictionary definition but when we refer to a prostitution ring , we are not talking about one pimp with two hookers..
When we are referring to a dog fighting ring, we are not referring to one guy who brings a couple friends over to watch his personal dogs fight..
A guy who picks up a little extra pot for his bday when he gets some, would not be considered a drug ring.
Don't get me wrong..
A single instance of child molestation isn't really any better than if pizza gate were actually real, but let's make sure we are actually taking about the same thing rather than using "pedophile ring" as a click bait stand in for every sexual crime commited on a child.
If you look I posted multiple examples that have resulted in multiple arrests. The dictionary definition stands- as that is the one that is going to be legally influential.
The examples you give are all cases of reductio ad absurdem, a technique used by sophists to avoid debating facts they dont like.
Nobody is saying that every sexual crime committed on a child qualifies as a pedophile ring.
The questions raised about the actions of the Clinton administration Party appratchiks are very serious and need to be investigated fully. That is not click bait.
originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: JoshuaCox
And only one has actually been a pedophile ring.. The one from Portugal... The rest have been , most likely legit child abuse and sex crimes, but not a ring..
paedophile/pedophile ring
noun [ C ] UK US pedophile ring uk /ˈpiː.də.faɪl ˌrɪŋ/ us /ˈped.oʊ.faɪl ˌrɪŋ/
a group of people who take part in illegal sexual activity involving children
Joshua, your motives are being questioned because some of us are having trouble understanding just what you are looking for. Help us out here. I am confused to exactly what is troubling you at this point.
According to the Cambridge Dictionary, and almost all other dictionaries, a pedophile ring is a group of people involved in illegal sexual activity involving children.
Almost every example that has been presented, fits that description but you continue to dismiss them. Is it that you disagree with the definition, or are you saying that you don't believe that illegal sexual activity can occur in a group?
A Labour MP has demanded the government reopen an investigation into the suspicious deaths of two whistleblowers he believes were in possession of significant evidence relating to historic child sex abuse, which infiltrated the heart of Westminster.
How Thatcher’s Government Covered Up a VIP Pedophile Ring Now that most of the major figures are dead, the truth is emerging about the systematic sexual abuse of children by members of the British government.
LONDON — A newspaper editor was handed startling evidence that Britain’s top law enforcement official knew there was a VIP pedophile network in Westminster, at the heart of the British government. What happened next in the summer of 1984 helps to explain how shocking allegations of rape and murder against some of the country’s most powerful men went unchecked for decades.