No Hoax this time. " Homeowner's son shoots, kills three would-be burglars"

Three down at the scene.
It going to be interesting to find out who everyone is.
The driver turned herself in after the fact and is a W/F.

ktul.com...


Buck

a reply to: flatbush71

Looks like a successful deployment of the residents second amendment rights.

I am very glad that the homeowner and their son have not been injured during this incident. Though it is very sad indeed that three people are dead, it must be said that the deceased knew what they were signing on for. Housebreaking is not a crime absent consequences, and invading a persons home can have more than legal ramifications. I fail to believe that these individuals did not know that there was a chance they could die performing this act, so the fact that they met with lethal consequences is on them, no matter whose finger was on the trigger. They went into a persons house prepared to do violence, and found a greater measure of it than they could withstand in response. I do not think it is possible to look upon this incident with any animosity for the shooter in this instance.

In this news story, they refer to the Oklahoma Castle Doctrine law as 'Oklahoma's Make My Day Law'.
What a nickname!
Tulsa World

Later that afternoon, 21-year-old Elizabeth Marie Rodriguez of Oologah turned herself in at the Broken Arrow Police Department after seeing media reports about the shootings, Mahoney said. She reportedly indicated to police that she had driven the three burglars to the house and was supposed to have picked them up after the burglary. She was booked into the Wagoner County Jail on three complaints each of first-degree murder and first-degree burglary. A person who is committing a felony when a death occurs can be charged with felony murder.

The homeowner and the son, who reportedly did not know the intruders, went to the Wagoner County Sheriff’s Office to submit formal statements. Mahoney said the shootings appear to have been in self-defense, but he clarified that the case will remain under investigation for some time.

The fatal shootings could be viewed by prosecutors as falling under Oklahoma’s “Make My Day” law, which says a resident has the right to use deadly force if an intruder has entered or is in the process of entering the resident’s home.

a reply to: flatbush71

AA BROKEN ARROW, Okla. (KTUL) -- One person is in custody after three suspects in a Wagoner County home invasion were shot to death Monday afternoon by one of the residents. According to the Wagoner County Sheriff's Office, the suspects' getaway driver has been arrested. The 21-year-old woman, Elizabeth Marie Rodriguez turned herself in at the Broken Arrow Police Department hours after the shooting, saying she had information. Wagoner County investigators interviewed her at the police department and subsequently arrested her on complaints of three counts of first-degree murder and three counts of first-degree burglary. Investigators haven't released the names of anyone involved but say the deceased suspects are between 16 and 18 years old. Two of the suspects were armed, according to investigators. One with a knife and the other with brass knuckles.

"You say you went to college, but you don't seem too bright
You just brought a switchblade to a pistol fight." -Chris Knight

Just deserved!

I have no sympathy for these people.

And the home owner / residents have every right to defend their property from burglars.

No one should be terrorized in their own home.

Mahoney says the suspects broke in through a glass door in the back of the house.

People shoulda be aware that old style sliding glass doors are safety style glass that shatters to bits on impact with a sharp blow by say (brass knuckles). Typical smash and grab job, they intend to be in and out in less than two minutes, grabbing anything they can carry and run off with, before the police arrive.

These old style full pane sliding door windows reduce the time of entry to mere seconds. They pop the window and run in, mindless of whether people are home. We had a rash of these during broad daylight here and there was no defense against it (this case excluded).

The best thing people can do to prevent this kind of scenario is replace these old safety glass patio sliding doors with newer double pane sliding doors that don't shatter on impact. As a preventive deterrent as opposed to a dead deterrent shoot out within the walls of your own home.

Sure, the door replacements aren't cheap, neither are your lives and property, let alone the lives of stupid ass, stupid does dope fiends.

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"Homeowner's son....who is a grown ass adult aged 23." Clickbait title isn't necessary, and what's more interesting to me is that the intruders were aged "16-18." Curious to know more about them.

Aside from that angle it seems to be a pretty ordinary use of castle doctrine.

a reply to: flatbush71

I know I wasn't there and I acknowledge the worst case scenario and also they had no idea what weapons the bad guys had but did they all have to die?

I can't quarterback it, just talking here.

Because you can maybe kill them all doesn't mean you should, lol. One yell and a shot in the floor would of sent them scurrying like rats n all directions but I wasn't there and know little from the report

I don't know their criminal histories and such but all three dead, not just the first in the door?

I know, if any got away maybe they kill someone tomorrow so good riddance just...I don't know, just crap all around no matter how you look at it

originally posted by: tayton
a reply to: flatbush71

I know I wasn't there and I acknowledge the worst case scenario and also they had no idea what weapons the bad guys had but did they all have to die?

I can't quarterback it, just talking here.

Because you can maybe kill them all doesn't mean you should, lol. One yell and a shot in the floor would of sent them scurrying like rats n all directions but I wasn't there and know little from the report

I don't know their criminal histories and such but all three dead, not just the first in the door?

I know, if any got away maybe they kill someone tomorrow so good riddance just...I don't know, just crap all around no matter how you look at it

You said exactly what I was thinking. Capital punishment for someone breaking into your house may be excessive. But maybe not depending on your point of view. This is like the abortion issue with gray areas around personal boundaries.

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: tayton
a reply to: flatbush71

I know I wasn't there and I acknowledge the worst case scenario and also they had no idea what weapons the bad guys had but did they all have to die?

I can't quarterback it, just talking here.

Because you can maybe kill them all doesn't mean you should, lol. One yell and a shot in the floor would of sent them scurrying like rats n all directions but I wasn't there and know little from the report

I don't know their criminal histories and such but all three dead, not just the first in the door?

I know, if any got away maybe they kill someone tomorrow so good riddance just...I don't know, just crap all around no matter how you look at it

You said exactly what I was thinking. Capital punishment for someone breaking into your house may be excessive. But maybe not depending on your point of view. This is like the abortion issue with gray areas around personal boundaries.

States pass laws like the Castle Laws to give the homeowner the ability to feel secure in their own homes and NOT feel the need to be under fire from the bad guys before they stop the threat.

If these bad guys had been armed with firearms, the homeowner in this case may well have been killed if he did something stupid like saying 'Hands Up!'.

These guys already had their warning when they broke into his home, armed with a knife and brass knuckles.

a reply to: tayton

Don't rely either on the mercy or the intelligence of criminals.

I wonder if we will start seeing public service announcements on TV to warn unwitting criminals that they risk death by breaking into peoples homes?

As I child, I learned such things from my parents. Today with villages raising our children, they don't seem to be getting the lessons that are important served up to them.

originally posted by: tayton
a reply to: flatbush71

I know I wasn't there and I acknowledge the worst case scenario and also they had no idea what weapons the bad guys had but did they all have to die?

I can't quarterback it, just talking here.

Because you can maybe kill them all doesn't mean you should, lol. One yell and a shot in the floor would of sent them scurrying like rats n all directions but I wasn't there and know little from the report

Here in the UK, a Farmer called Tony Martin didn't shoot the burglars, like you wanted and they came back 10 [Ten] times. Then he did shoot one of them and now it has stopped.

en.wikipedia.org...(farmer)

In your home, you should be judge and jury, because it is your home and anyone trying to get in, is already guilty. Is the electric cable judge and jury when there is a warning sign and you still touch it?
Same with home invasions/bruglaries. It's a deal breaker and they know it, yet take the risk.

What you want is everyone to be scared of burglars and they can come in safe in the knowledge that they are untouchable.

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: tayton
a reply to: flatbush71

I know I wasn't there and I acknowledge the worst case scenario and also they had no idea what weapons the bad guys had but did they all have to die?

I can't quarterback it, just talking here.

Because you can maybe kill them all doesn't mean you should, lol. One yell and a shot in the floor would of sent them scurrying like rats n all directions but I wasn't there and know little from the report

I don't know their criminal histories and such but all three dead, not just the first in the door?

I know, if any got away maybe they kill someone tomorrow so good riddance just...I don't know, just crap all around no matter how you look at it

You said exactly what I was thinking. Capital punishment for someone breaking into your house may be excessive. But maybe not depending on your point of view. This is like the abortion issue with gray areas around personal boundaries.

If you break into my house, armed or unarmed is immaterial, why is the onus on me to try and figure out just how far you're willing to go with things before I take action?

You don't want to roll the dice on a homeowner offing you, don't break into somebody's house.

3 less idiots in Oklahoma.
Good shooting.

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: tayton
a reply to: flatbush71

I know I wasn't there and I acknowledge the worst case scenario and also they had no idea what weapons the bad guys had but did they all have to die?

I can't quarterback it, just talking here.

Because you can maybe kill them all doesn't mean you should, lol. One yell and a shot in the floor would of sent them scurrying like rats n all directions but I wasn't there and know little from the report

I don't know their criminal histories and such but all three dead, not just the first in the door?

I know, if any got away maybe they kill someone tomorrow so good riddance just...I don't know, just crap all around no matter how you look at it

You said exactly what I was thinking. Capital punishment for someone breaking into your house may be excessive. But maybe not depending on your point of view. This is like the abortion issue with gray areas around personal boundaries.

States pass laws like the Castle Laws to give the homeowner the ability to feel secure in their own homes and NOT feel the need to be under fire from the bad guys before they stop the threat.

If these bad guys had been armed with firearms, the homeowner in this case may well have been killed if he did something stupid like saying 'Hands Up!'.

These guys already had their warning when they broke into his home, armed with a knife and brass knuckles.

I get it. The bad guys are really bad.

And then there's reality:

"U.S. Dept of Justice does cover home invasions. This report covers a 4 year period from 2003 to 2007. Data is annualized.
NO deaths due to home invasions.
bjs.gov/content/pub/ascii/vdhb.txt
Highlights
*An estimated 3.7 million burglaries occurred each year on average from 2003 to 2007.
*A household member was present in roughly 1 million burglaries and became victims of violent crimes in 266,560 burglaries.
*Simple assault (15% or 155,400) was the most common form of violence when a resident was home and violence occurred.
*Robbery (7% 72,520) and rape (3% 31,080) were less likely to occur when a household member was present and violence occurred.
*Offenders were known to their victims in 65% or 2,405,000 of violent burglaries; offenders were strangers in 28%.
*Overall, 61% of offenders were unarmed when violence occurred during a burglary while a resident was present. About 12% 8,702 of all households violently burglarized while someone was home faced an offender armed with a firearm.
*Households residing in single family units and higher density structures of 10 or more units were least likely to be burglarized (8 per 1,000 households) while a household member was present.
*Serious injury accounted for 9% or 6, 527 people and minor injury accounted for 36% of injuries sustained by household members who were home and experienced violence during a completed burglary"

I understand you are scared. I get that. Of course I would defend myself if I felt my life was threatened. And at the same time, I'm not sure I would ever want to shoot someone. For me, given that I have a conscious, I would probably need years of therapy to figure out if I did the right thing. I guess I just think life is more precious than you do and I am not so full of hate.

In my experience living in New Jersey for 50 years, in all my family members, my mother's house was robbed once and she now has a security system. With all my friends I've never heard of anyone being robbed in their home at gun point. Maybe it's a red state problem.

It's unfortunate that they all died, being so young and all.
But at the same time, they did go in the house not only with intent for burglary,
But they also brought along weapons.
You bring a weapon if you are prepared to use it on a victim.
So say the son wasn't at home, just the mother. She encounters these 3 kids with weapons in hand. Do they beat her and stab her to death? Or do they use the weapons as an intimidation technique while they loot the place.

Either way, they brought weapons with them, that means they were prepared to carry out more than a burglary.
Would they have used them on the victim?
We will never know.
One thing is for sure, that this will send a message to the criminals in the area.
Perhaps they will rethink their actions.

a reply to: dfnj2015

I understand you are scared. I get that.

Apparently you don't get it, because I am not scared.
I don't even keep my guns loaded at home any more.
I haven't carried concealed for over 15 years now.
Edit to add:

I guess I just think life is more precious than you do and I am not so full of hate.

You seem to be really full of yourself.
You know that I am full of hate, and call me scared, but you don't know me.

a reply to: tayton

Unfortunately in that situation there is no time to ask questions.

You either react or possibly get hurt or killed. And from reading the article they were armed. Sure it was a knife. But that's a lethal weapon.

It's a bad situation to be in.

But luckily enough the resident acted and defended himself.

These people broke into a home armed with weapons. They got what they deserved IMO.