Do residents of major cities need to accept terrorism as part of life?

originally posted by: uncommitted
a reply to: markosity1973

Stop being such a drama queen, they are individuals, they are terrorists, they hide behind the religion.

To call the IRA 'just a political group' (it not by the way, that would be Sinn Fein) just shows your lack of knowledge. I'm waiting for your next post to start with "I've got friends who are Muslim but..."

Cognitive dissonance much?



When was the last time any Christian did this to Muslims?

a reply to: markosity1973

At least i had half the story right ...lol

Well you know its punchbowl if i were openly gay i doubt i would be spending any time there.

FFS yes it is a high muslim area what do expect to happen ?

Life isnt all fairies and roses. Personally i have no love for Muslims i despise their ideology for the most part. It really gets under my skin when some of the men look at my GF the way they do (she is blonde,sexy and wears skimpy stuff), but they are not the be all and end all of our socital issues they are only a small part of it.

We detract from the real issues plaguing us by focusing on a small percentage of it .
Sorry if i have offended you it was not intentional.

originally posted by: ColdWisdom
Show me in the old testament where it says it's ok to murder gay people in the name of god.

As to your first request...

Leviticus 20:13 "'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed


At least i had half the story right ...lol

Well you know its punchbowl if i were openly gay i doubt i would be spending any time there.

FFS yes it is a high muslim area what do expect to happen ?

Well we were naive - I am a kiwi who does not know Sydney at all and my partner is from Melbourne. We got a but lost and were just walking through trying to get to the train station - big mistake apparently. And I have no intention of returning to Sydney or Punchbowl again any time soon.

The fact that Punchbowl exists as a high Muslim neighbourhood in the first place is the issue - why are we allowing these ghettos with very un-western ideologies to form at all?

PS, I'm not offended. I have a thick skin usually, but that experience in Sydney really did annoy me. It did not feel like I was in Australia at all in that neighbourhood and they made it very clear that even though we are both Australian / Kiwi westerners that we were not welcome in our own country (well that part of it anyway)

originally posted by: ColdWisdom
a reply to: uncommitted

You haven't read the Old Testament at any point I take it?

Show me in the old testament where it says it's ok to murder gay people in the name of god.

And then after that, show me where it says it's ok to lie, under any circumstance.

FFS, let's start with Sodom and Gomorrah shall we? When you've got a God that turns cities to dust because said God didn't like their sexual activities, lying is fairly far down the list of things to worry about isn't it?

a reply to: markosity1973

That's fine, ignore my point.

a reply to: redmage

The contemporary application from Leviticus 18 and 20 is not to attack the LGBT community. Rather, it gives a prophetic warning to all sinners. By nature (Eph 2:1–3), by family relation (Rom 5:12, 18–19), and by choice (Ezek 18:4, 20), mankind stands under God’s righteous wrath — a capital punishment far greater than anything experienced in Old Testament Israel. In this way, the Bible speaks to all humanity to flee sexual immorality (1 Cor 6:18) and to find refuge in the substitutionary death of Jesus Christ.

Capital punishment becomes excommunication in the church

Second, only by reading Leviticus 20:13 in its covenantal and historical context will we be able to see how this commands fits into the whole canon of Scripture. Unlike the Quran, whose books are largely arranged by size and written without a unified storyline, the Bible is a historical book bound together by God’s eternal plan to unite all things in Christ (Eph 1:10). At many times and in many ways, the Bible reveals the saving purposes of God. Accordingly, we must not directly apply Moses’s words to ourselves without understanding how they fit into God’s progressive revelation.

Source

By the way, I detest all religion.

Humanism and Magick have the evolutionary advantage.

a reply to: markosity1973

That whole area , lakemba is the mecca, belmore ,cantubury im going from memory but anywhere down that train line is #sville, they are here, they do their thing, they like to stick together.

I am no means insinuating that is worse than other places, i would use cabramatta as a reference "the wiki is tame" that area is scary, triads and gangs you name it. The Muslims are the least scary of elements you will find in sydney town.

originally posted by: uncommitted
a reply to: markosity1973

That's fine, ignore my point.

The only point you make is that we should ignore the threat of radical Islamists in our midst becaause some Irish people who are a subset of Catholicsm are with the IRA who committed acts of terror against the country of the United Kingdom.

Stack that against the entire religion of Islam and the goal of converting the entire planet to live under Sharia law and some stupid Caliphate and the ridiculousness of your comparison becomes blatantly obvious.

It is true that not all Muslims are terrorists, but it is ALSO true that MOST terrorists are Muslim. And of those who are not terrorists, many are sympathisers to the goals of Sharia law and Islamifying the countries they settle in.

Comprehend yet?

a reply to: markosity1973

And I have no intention of returning to Sydney or Punchbowl again any time soon.

You will find oxford st in the kings cross area of sydney more to your liking.

why are we allowing these ghettos with very un-western ideologies to form at all?

HAve you been to china town

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Yeah, I realise this now.

My issue is that they do not integrate. Every city has it's crime hotspots, full of drugs and gangs. But this whole Islamic neighbourhood that likes to think of itself as an independent state thing is where I start to take issue.

You are aware that there has been a push in those suburbs to be able to practise Sharia law no? If we are living in Australia, then we live under Australian common law, not that of the bible, the Koran, the Torah or any other relgious book. All of us.

ETA, yes I have been to China town. And Greek / Italian neighbourhoods.

I have no issue with those places because in the case of China town they are only interested in selling me something and probably feeding me (for a price of course) ie they welcome everyone in.

A cultural outpost like a China Town or a little Italy is totally acceptable because it brings two worlds together. A cultural bastion like Punchbowl is not. It seeks to segregate from the rest of us and consolidate it's power within those who live there in order to expand from there outward.

a reply to: markosity1973

You are just wilfully ignoring my point. Twenty years ago in the UK you could have said not all Irish people are terrorists, but most terrorists are Irish people. That statement, like the slightly more modern one of yours is only ever made to implicate and blame the majority for the acts of the minority.

a reply to: markosity1973
Absolute nonsense, you speak like you know the minds of all Muslims. Who are the vast majority of victims of Islamic fundementalist terrorists? Other Muslims. Yet according to you they support the murders of their children their wives sisters brother, mothers and fathers.

a reply to: WilsonWilson

Riiiiight. Because they are all soooo tolerant.

a reply to: uncommitted

1) It's 2017, not 1997

2) That statement would still have been false. Below is the list of Islamic terror attacks from the same decade (The 1990's)

Egypt February 4, 1990 A bus carrying Israeli tourists in Egypt was attacked by Islamic Jihad Movement in Palestine.[12] 11 17 China February 2, 1992 1992 Ürümqi bombings 3 23 Argentina March 17, 1992 The 1992 attack on Israeli embassy in Buenos Aires 29 242 Yemen December 29, 1992 The 1992 Yemen hotel bombings by al-Qaeda 2 7 United States January 25, 1993 1993 shootings at CIA Headquarters in Langley, Virginia. 2 3 United States February 26, 1993 World Trade Center bombing, in New York City.[13] 6 1,042 India March 12, 1993 Serial blasts in Mumbai 257 0 Turkey July 2, 1993 Sivas Massacre, Arson attack at a gathering in Sivas killing 35 intellectuals from Turkey, most of whom were Alevis. 35 0 Israel April 6, 1994 Afula Bus suicide bombing 8 55 Israel April 13, 1994 Hadera bus station suicide bombing 5 30 Argentina July 18, 1994 Buenos Aires Jewish Center AMIA bombing 85 300 United Kingdom July 26, 1994 The 1994 London Israeli Embassy attack 0 20 Israel October 19, 1994 The Dizengoff Street bus bombing was a Hamas suicide attack on a passenger bus driving down Dizengoff Street in Tel Aviv. 22 50 Israel November 11, 1994 Netzarim Junction bicycle bombing 3 12 Philippines December 11, 1994 A bomb explodes on board Philippine Airlines Flight 434 which was flying from Manila to Tokyo, the plane lands safely at Naha Airport in Okinawa.[14] 1 10 Algeria December 24, 1994 Air France Flight 8969 hijacking in Algiers by 3 members of Armed Islamic Group of Algeria and another terrorist.[15] 7 25 Israel January 22, 1995 The Beit Lid suicide bombing was a suicide attack by Palestinian Islamic Jihad 20 69 Israel January 30, 1995 A car bomb exploded outside of a police station.[16][17] 42 286 Israel July 20, 1995 A bomb on a motor scooter exploded at a marketplace in Jammu. Harkat-ul-Ansar claimed responsibility for the bombing.[18] 17 100+ Israel July 24, 1995 The Ramat Gan bus bombing, a suicide attack by Hamas. 5 33 France July 25, 1995 The 1995 Paris Métro and RER bombings were a series of attacks by the Armed Islamic Group of Algeria in France, continuing through October 17, 1995. 8 100+ Croatia October 20, 1995 In the 1995 Rijeka bombing a suicide bomber attempted to destroy a police station by driving a car with a bomb into the wall of the building. 1 29 Israel February 25, 1996 The Jaffa Road bus bombings, two attacks on Jerusalem route 18 buses by Hamas. 45 52 Israel March 4, 1996 The Dizengoff Center suicide bombing was a terror attack by Hamas on the eve of the Jewish holiday of Purim. 13 130 Egypt April 18, 1996 Islamist gunmen fire on the Europa hotel in Cairo.[19] 18 17 Saudi Arabia June 25, 1996 Khobar Towers bombing[20] 20 372 China February 25, 1997 Three bombs explode on three buses in the Xinjiang capital of Ürümqi 9 74 Israel March 21, 1997 The Café Apropo bombing was a Hamas suicide bomber who detonated at a Tel Aviv sidewalk café. 3 46 Israel July 30, 1997 The 1997 Mahane Yehuda Market bombings were two consecutive suicide bombings carried out by Hamas militants at the Mahane Yehuda Market in Jerusalem. 16 178 Bosnia and Herzegovina September 18, 1997 The 1997 Mostar car bombings. 0 29 Egypt November 17, 1997 Luxor massacre, 6 armed Islamic terrorists attacked tourists at the Luxor ruins.[21] 62 26 India February 14, 1998 A total of 58 people were killed and over 200 injured in 12 bomb attacks in 11 places, in the city of Coimbatore, Tamil Nadu. 58 200+ Tanzania August 7, 1998 1998 United States embassy bombings in Dar es Salaam and Nairobi.[22] 224 4000+ Kenya Bangladesh 8 October 1999 1999 bombing of Jessore 10 150 Bangladesh 8 December 1999 1999 Khulna mosque boming

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Your statement is just not correct. It never will be.

a reply to: ColdWisdom

David Schrock and Timothy Cox may be selling it, but I ain't buying it.

Their notion of, "contemporary application from Leviticus" being, "Capital punishment becomes excommunication in the church" is basically irrelevant. They can write "biblical-theological “explainers”" of their personal interpretations 'till their fingers turn blue, but it's there in black and white in Leviticus regardless of their modern spin-doctoring.

Likewise their "unified storyline" theory doesn't explain or excuse it away either. They can try to rationalize their cognitive dissonance away, but again... even though, "Thou shall not kill", it's there in black and white in Leviticus regardless of their modern day spin-doctoring.

The only meaningful difference is that at this moment in time most "Christians" (specifically, those with any true influence) aren't biblical literalists who believe the earth is 6k years old, or that gays should be stoned to death, but there are biblical literalists out there.

a reply to: markosity1973

Your list is BS and you should know it. If someone is a Muslim and commits a murder, that doesn't make it an Islamic terror act. If you really wanted to apply that logic then there are plenty of Christian terror acts on a very regular basis.

Leftists clearly support tolerating a little terrorist attack now and then in the name of diversity.
I guess it's worth it.

a reply to: ItCameFromOuterSpace

Take off the partisan blinders.

It's not "the left" lowering the bar to declare even something as simple as a biased news organization "a terrorist threat".

Much like the left's tendency to diminish-through-overuse-and-hyperbole terms like "rape"; the right loves to lower the bar and claim everything is "terrorism".

When "everything is terrorism", then yes, you will have to accept that terrorism will occur in a free society.

If you want freedom, then there will always be the possibility of some nutter going off the deep end to do something stupid. The only way to eliminate that possibility is to end freedom so that a random nutter never has the opportunity to act upon an impulse.

No, but I'm not going spend a single second worrying about it either.