Trey Gowdy WE FOUND IT ! WIRETAPPING James Comey NO EXPLANATION !!

a reply to: mkultra11

Well, first of all, I would direct you to this page...

www.theatlantic.com...

...and implore you not to discount the information contained therein, just because the source may not appeal to you (not that I would wish to assume, but there is a tendency toward that sort of thing around here of late). This article discusses the changes to the old set up, and explains that while the surveillance powers themselves have not been expanded, the changes have altered who may see the information and have a hand in its vetting, its assessment, how certain types of intelligence are controlled in the future. So, where as the NSA used to have to examine each piece of intelligence and give it a rating of some sort before figuring out who could see it, now that job falls to more parts of the intelligence community, a greater number of agencies.

So although it is true that his motion changed the way of things, it has not expanded the situations in which it is legal or illegal to USE these surveillance tools, and it has not changed the number or disposition of potential targets for that system.

Of course, you and I are aware that it really does not matter what the law says, and I am fully aware that it does not matter a damn what the President says on this topic, because the system is not owned by the state (therefore by the people) any more than my buttcheeks are the property of Emma bloody Watson. The reality of the situation is this:

The system itself, the MIC, the big machines that run government or what Orwellian, corporatist nightmare passes for government these days (both your side and mine, of the great big pond between) are not owned by the people of the countries concerned but by multinational business persons, people who between them own the most powerful industries, not companies within those industries, but the industries themselves, by way of shell companies, management companies, stocks, hidden shares, hidden accounts in tax havens and a whole host of other evil, shady tactics, meant to keep them from even appearing as blips on the financial radar, meant to provide them an anonymity which belies their fantastic wealth, and unearned power.

The President could order the NSA to dismantle the entire ECHELON system, and they would tell him "Yes boss!" but keep it running, or ship its parts to its owners, for use elsewhere. The global intelligence network is a beast unto itself, owned from without the governing bodies which are supposed to regulate the various national components of it, to prevent them from doing the worst they could do with the liberty of those they laughingly swear to protect.

originally posted by: Taggart
There are in fact many people who wouldn't vote for either, who think both sides are bad news.

Hence the reason Trump won.
In case you forgot Trump is not a bureaucrat. People were offered a choice of putting a politician in office again or someone from the private sector. A billionaire who has been servicing the public for decades offering services and products people desire. I know it's hard for liberals to grasp how someone who isn't from the public sector echo chamber was able to make it to the oval office.

I would have thought by now some of his defenders would start to attack him for certain things but no business as usual, he's misunderstood, he's the victim. I wonder how many years it will take for the penny to drop?

And I would have thought his attackers would start to defend him for some of the positive things, but no triggering as usual, he's sexist, he's a racist, he's HITLER.
I wonder how many psychiatrists and anti-psychotics it will take to get the entirety of the left back on an even keel.
My prediction:
Trump till 2024
Trey from 2024-2032
It's going to take decades to fix the **** these liberals have gotten us into.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

No he is saying this:

USA monitor s Russians outside of the states. SOP

Various americans had contact with russians, including some Trump people. All contacts were noted. SO.

Eventually, some Trump people got caught lying about this.

Some senators understand this.

a reply to: Oldtimer2

You need to reread all the news objectively.

The national enquirer is not a valid news source, just for the record.

a reply to: visitedbythem

Can you give us the context please?

If it was at a press core dinner it's funny.

If it was at a NRA meeting it funny.

If it was directed to Putin it's silly.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Trey Gowdy is a BEAST

a reply to: carewemust

You repeat the impression s you have from Trump's false and deliberate mis- statements and forgetting all the corrections from fact checkers.

This is how Trumps stratagy works. This is what the rest of us see and you do not.

Example: the car factory moving from Mexico to the USA. Originally announced 2 1/2 years ago, re-announced as favorable Trump news in Nov. 2016.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I'd like to think that as a long-time ATS fan that all of this partisan bickering will come to an end. There have been phases over the past thirteen years that I've been here, but this crazy pro-Trump stuff is getting out of hand, especially when they criticize the "libruls" for anti-american activity. People need to learn to talk to each other rather than at each other otherwise it's going to destroy our country, and certainly this website. Why the pro-Trump crowd has taken over this website is beyond me. It goes against all moral and logical sense. Obama did not wiretrap Trump. It's been virtually proven. Please people, drop the partisanship, think rationally and calmly, and learn to accept your fellow citizen as equally human as you with the same desires and wishes as you.

a reply to: JAY1980

And just what **** have liberals gotten us into? Caring for your fellowman? Freedom and equality for all? What exactly is **** about that? Trump didn't win the election because of a massive national wave of support - he barely squeaked by. In six states Clinton lost by less than 90,000 votes well within the margin of the third-party candidates. In five states the number of residents who did not vote exceeded those who did. Trump was elected by 27.3% of the electorate while the rest voted for someone else or didn't vote at all. Trump is not the anti-establishment figure that some of his supporters seem to think he is. And the idea that he's served the public? Are you serious? Really? Even Penn Jillette, a dedicated Libertarian and opponent of "bull#", has said that Trump was the worst human being he's ever encountered.

a reply to: xuenchen


Okay that was just plain STUPID. Yeah, LOVE your trump Triggers the Triggerables....LOL....IRONY RUNS DEEP....he is the TRIGGER......and it goes off in the middle of the night when he is TWEETING...No matter what you trump supporters say, you cant undo his STUPID twitter account can you????? Why don't you try reading how stupid his tweets are. The 37% of you who still support him, are just ignorant!!!!!!!!!

a reply to: kurthall

So you prefer to be lied to by the DNC? I get it....you just hate hearing how politics work....

we can all agree that Snowden showed we are ALL monitored yes? So ergo Trump was "wiretapped" as we ALL are, yes?

The real question is was Former President Obama apprised of what that monitoring resulted in, No Obama did not "Order" the wiretapping because it's a default position, like copyright, it's automatic in the USA. the question is did he receive intel from said monitoring. He also did not exempt Trump from said monitoring. (which would have been the "noble" thing to do). so yes President was mistaken when he says "Obama ordered" but he is not entirely mistaken because Obama didn't say they couldn't either.

Having worked with DIA DIN information in the past I would say it's "likely" former President Obama did receive some information because that is the nature of intel reports, However, I have no "paper trail" to prove it but I bet there is one if one has access to look for it.

SO due to semantics yes President Trump lied but the general idea and context, he is correct.

a reply to: TrueBrit


You need to quit drinking. As your avatar so truly shows you like to do. Also if you don't even live in the U.S. your talking out of your bum as you have NO CLUE what is going on day to day in the U.S. Most trumptarded are getting it now. Many of his sheep have woken up from their nap.........

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: kurthall


I'm sorry your TV got stuck on MSNBC the past 90 days.

America is IMPROVING under the Trump Administration's guidance and policies. (Economy, jobs, immigration, rate of violence, etc..) All improving.

Good luck with that sticky television tuner!

Thank you, you made me LOL....

Is that the best baited personal insult you cult members could come up with?

"You been watching too much TV, boy!"

LOL, thank you...you made me LOL too!!!!!!!!!!!

originally posted by: dovdov
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I'd like to think that as a long-time ATS fan that all of this partisan bickering will come to an end. There have been phases over the past thirteen years that I've been here, but this crazy pro-Trump stuff is getting out of hand, especially when they criticize the "libruls" for anti-american activity. People need to learn to talk to each other rather than at each other otherwise it's going to destroy our country, and certainly this website. Why the pro-Trump crowd has taken over this website is beyond me. It goes against all moral and logical sense. Obama did not wiretrap Trump. It's been virtually proven. Please people, drop the partisanship, think rationally and calmly, and learn to accept your fellow citizen as equally human as you with the same desires and wishes as you.

So instead of asking yourself WHY the website has changed, you'd rather just put people down?

Maybe you ARE a longtime ATS fan, but that doesn't necessarily count for anything, so I'd stop bringing it up like it has some bearing on the current state of things here.

Also, morals are relevant, AREN'T THEY? That's what liberals keep telling me.

Fortunately, the true believers who construct these sensationalist threads have little reaching power beyond their enclave of followers.

Unfortunately, none of that matters to anyone whose steady diet consists of consuming said speculative garbage. To that end, ATS is rather like a vending machine chock full of airy sound and fury.

a reply to: darkbake

You missed on quite a few points here.

Were the people being watched the ones who led to Trump's people or were Trump's people being watched first?

You said that once the information from the "legally" tapped calls was reviewed that the FBI proceeded from there with a legal investigation of Trump. This is in opposition to the idea of warrants at its very core. A warrant must be specific, directed at specific individuals, looking for specific information, from specific means and sources. Anything else you find is not even admissible as evidence.

Going back to the campaign trail dems were barking quite a lot about "evidence" that Trump was in contact with Russians. Something they would not have had evidence of without wire tapping. Otherwise it would have been nothing but hearsay. No one on the dem side argued that...until Trump said he was wire tapped. Then they went crazy denying it.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Gowdy sures knows how to lay down the law. Comey stumbled so much during that interview. If heads don't roll then the leak was very high up. Scapegoating is sure to happen.

originally posted by: SmilingROB
a reply to: visitedbythem

Can you give us the context please?

If it was at a press core dinner it's funny.

If it was at a NRA meeting it funny.

If it was directed to Putin it's silly.

Yep. Talking about killing people is often funny

a reply to: ManFromEurope

Here is the problem you don't see. Comey is an Obama appointee... Obama gave him that cozy job in the FBI...
There is the controversy and i quote:

...Comey seemingly laid out a case for why Hillary Clinton appears to have violated federal law when she hid/destroyed important information related to the Benghazi investigation, only to abruptly reverse course and announce the FBI would not recommend prosecution.
...

www.theblaze.com...

Not to mention the scandals of the second man in command of the FBI. Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe, a longtime Clinton confidant helped steer $675,000 to the election state Senate campaign of the wife of Andrew McCabe... Not to mention, and I quote:

...
The money directed by McAuliffe began flowing two months after the FBI investigation into Clinton began in July 2015. Around that time, the candidate’s husband was promoted from running the Washington field office for the FBI to the No. 3 position at the bureau.

Within a year, McCabe was promoted to deputy director, the second-highest position in the bureau.
...

Clinton ally gave $500K to wife of FBI agent on email probe

Not to mention the "other" real scandal of the three Pakistani brothers, and apparently 2 wives, who were working for several democrats who did hack data from the Congressional computer network. The brothers each was getting what, like $160,000 each? A lot more than they were supposed to be earning.

At least one of the brothers had a criminal past, yet the democrats hired him and his brothers, who hacked data from the Congressional computer network, stole hard drives with who knows what sort of data, and over priced equipment that they replaced. Not to mention, that even after this was made news, Wasserman-Schultz still did not fired Imran.

Major Criminal Probe in Government Security Breach has Ties to Former DNC Chair

Then there is the whole "but you know, Trump's associates met with the Russians, so there must be collusion"... Yet... Sessions not alone: Russian ambassador also met with numerous Democrats

The F.B.I, the CIA, and the NSA had people put in command by democrats/Obama, and many of them are still in those positions of power and were doing everything they could to get Hillary elected.

This whole thing about "Trump's team collusion with Russia" is nothing but a smokescreen so people forget the real scandals surrounding the DNC, Hillary and the rest of the Obama administration.

As for "it doesn't mean Obama gave the order, or that he didn't know". Due to the fact that they were investigating associates linked to a Presidential candidate the Obama administration officials would have told ex-President Obama. Since those being investigated were associates of President Trump, when an investigation is done on such a high target the IC (Intelligence Community) would have reported this to ex-President Obama himself. At the very least ex-President Obama knew this. Not to mention that people forget that it was under Obama that the order to record the data of ALL Americans was given to the IC, and that order would have been given by ex-President Obama. Despite him claiming the time of illegally surveillance of Americans was over...

Some people would say "well, Obama gave the order for the spying and gathering information on everyone, so it was a coincidence that Trump and his associates were spied on." Except that there would be individuals in high position of power who Obama would have said. "Don't gather/spy information on 'insert name here'...

Due to the fact that Trump was a Presidential candidate, and due to the fact that in the past a similar scandal, Watergate, in which President Nixon was involved for covering up the fact that several dirty tricks were used, such as the bugging the offices of political opponents, it is only logical that the IC would have told this about Trump's associates from day one to ex-President Obama, and Obama would have given the okay to either continue the investigation, or to stop bugging/wiretapping a political official who is an opponent.