Thoughts on non-physical experiences please

a reply to: Charlyboy

Seems similar to feeling I've had... Plane of oneness.?

a reply to: Havick007

#Spacefence via #lockheed

a reply to: Aliensun

you picked the right thread friend.. Go back to 1952-54... Listen MaJ Donald Keyhole. Listen to his testimony.

a reply to: Charlyboy

Yea the circumstances and the timing of seeing most ufo are way to coincidental or circumstanal. It like they study you to the point they can tell when your going to poop.

They aren't malevolent but they can be remorseless at times. Personally, I think they like to test an play with our perceptions at time since just seeing one really can throw the ideal view of standard reality into the trash.

With them, I think they like to test patience and see how flexible we are with reality while still on planes of the living plain old earth like nothing happened and they didn't exist and you crazy askint if that happened for years all the while time just going forward?

a reply to: phatkhat

Well they don't hover do they...

a reply to: tayton
Interesting, I often get the feeling we are being gently pushed from time to time. I pity us and I am one of us... Thank you for expanding.

a reply to: Specimen

I am not a particularly patient person and totally get what you are talking about. I have been so frustrated with the experiences its almost brought me to tears. You sometimes feel like you are being played with but at the same time almost understand that its your limited understanding that makes you feel that way..??

a reply to: Raxoxane

So do you think the physical experiences you have had are something you allow to happen or is it something that is just taken without permission? Is it negative for you? I have never had pain or marks left (well probably some emotional pain..). The things I see seem to come and go with flashes of light, there is always light present for some reason. Thank you for sharing

One of the most interesting discoveries of Graham Hancock is that typical ufo abductions occur as a product of psychodelic drugs. One could say it is all a product of the mind however there are physical affects that occur simultaneously to the physical experience. That and UFO abductees really are missing whereas people that are tripping are not. It really does seem to be a psycho physical experience.

One isn't just a witness to a UFO one is always an experiencer because UFO's appear in 4 dimensions, 3 physical and 1 mental. I think Dr. Jacques Vallee nails it for what it is...
""But the UFO phenomenon simply does not behave like extraterrestrial visitors. It actually molds itself in order to fit a given culture......Human beings are under the control of a strange force that bends them in absurd ways, forcing them to play a role in a bizarre game of deception.....The symbolic display seen by the abductees is identical to the type of initiation ritual or astral voyage that is imbedded in the [occult] traditions of every culture...the structure of abduction stories is identical to that of occult initiation rituals...the UFO beings of today belong to the same class of manifestation as the [occult] entities that were described in centuries past..."

One has to wonder, why do supposed extraterrestrials bend and shape our will toward the experience and acceptance of them? Why is it that to see a UFO with your eyes is to experience a presence in your mind? Given a being that can appear and shape itself to be anything why believe it physical at all? We fear a physical invasion of the earth by an unknown alien species, but how would the invasion of a nonphysical being look any different than what we are already experiencing?

a reply to: Charlyboy

Yea, it can be maddening, it can screw with your perception of life or reality, to the point it almost religous and paranoid.

I think it more or less our curiosity that gets the better of us, and they know it when it come to that sense of manipulation. We fear what we can't grasp, and floating ball of light with intelligence that could far exceeds our is quite hard to wrap one mind around.

When it come down to it, it reacts the way you would want it too on a personal level. If your be scared and it your only thrill you because it scares it will just act spooky and be there. If your playfull with it, it will be playful with you, or if your serious about life an such. It will be there for those Kodak moments if you been a drag most of your life.

The non physical part of the phenomena more like a guide to expand our consciousness and limit how ever they will go. The physical well, need they remind us.

a reply to: Charlyboy

In one of my experiences comparable to yours I have had the sense of an intense well-being feeling. I mean an extraordinary emotion of extreme bodily comfort. Correct me if I’m wrong, but ‘pure joy’ sounds a bit like a religious or a dreamy sensation.

a reply to: Charlyboy

My experience was very physical.

Three beings popped up in my bedroom. Thing was, I was not in my basement bedroom but lying on the floor in front of the TV watching music videos. I had just fallen asleep. I woke up. They were "searching" for me with their minds--all three were linked together. When they found me, they began walking out of the bedroom and became individual. I could tell where they were and practically see what they were seeing. I was lying helpless and thinking thoughts like, "Get the h3ll out of there!" And I told myself, "You can move if you just move real slow." How did I know this?? Not sure but managed to get my shoulder up. I could hear their feet on the stairs coming up from the basement. I tried to stand up to run away and fell back onto my back. As they came out of the basement, I was there on my back. I told myself, "Close your eyes and don't look at them! They remind you of big bugs!" Why? Not sure. But I had two at either shoulder and one at my head, eyes squeezed shut. They touched me with a crystal (??) rod. I remember hearing a loud crunch.

Then I woke up. Lying there, on the floor, sweating. Panicking. Deep breaths. Full on adrenalin flight or fight mode. Tears welling. A total mess. The only thing I could do was close the curtains, the basement door. Lock everything to the outdoors. Then a voice came to me. "Relax. You are okay. Turn on the TV there is some music you like on"

So besides crying, which is all about I could really do, I turned on the TV. Thanks David Bowie and U2! I slept the rest of the night with the lights on. And I never told my parents. I hardly tell anybody about this. I did have another encounter but being youthful and strong willed I told them to go eff themselves. They have honored my will and left me alone. It is kind of sad, really. Maybe now in my aging years I could be more understanding.

But as far as my story goes, real, alien beings. Physical ships and all.

TEOTWAWKIAIFF, I'm sure this a while ago but you say when you 'woke up", could you also say that you just opened your eyes and that you weren't in fact asleep?

I ask because when I've had OOBEs they have sometimes been when I'm laying in a non-familiar setting or at a non-familiar time (or both), and every single time - including all in my own familiar bed, after the experience I just open my eyes without any sense of waking. I can analyse the experiences as I'm having them and also there's no disruption in my thoughts or physical state from 'floating' to opening my eyes. I've not seen any beings but have often been STRONGLY aware of a presence as if just out of sight, thankfully.

Also the feelings are always in some sense 'more real than real' which I think is our way of expressing it's waking 'normalness', if that makes sense, to accentuate that it's not a dream.
The same sleep paralasis takes over as I'd imagine an abduction would, with super-heightened awareness yet no bodily control- only mind.

Almost as a joke test to myself I've recently tried sticking an arm or hand right out of bed into the centre of the room, just because it's not something I usually do being in the freezing UK, waiting for an OOBE to see what happens. On both occasions something happened its been veerryy different to every other time. Usually a curious and introspective travel around my room or house, these new experiences were a ferocious internal battle against that feeling of 'presence' located where my hand is. I can only describe it as completely disorientating spacially as if I'm being dragged through the room, noisy, nightmarish and very oppressive, I can hear myself fighting trying to scream in terror and regaine my place in my cosy bed but only hearing my growling guttural attempts... as my other half lies in blissful ignorance right next to me!

Then suddenly its all over and I'm back, open my eyes and contemplate for a few mins before drifting off.

a reply to: firesnake

A big difference. The hypnogogic state is not being quite awake. I've popped into that state and go lucid dreaming (just started figuring out how to do that). At that experience I posted, I woke up and felt them uh, sounding (??) out for me. That is what woke me up. I kind of knew what was happening (a visitation) and told myself things but I am not sure where they came from. Normal waking TEOT doesn't always have sage advice for TEOT in that manner! Usually, I do something stupid and then tell myself, "Well, that obviously did not work"! Not, "Shut your eyes and don't look at them 'cause they freak you out".

If you have ever seen the movie Communion, the point where Whitley is on the couch and they show up? They touch something to his forehead. At that very moment in the movie, my legs kicked out just like he does in the movie. Very strange. And yes, it was a while ago. But it is a very distinct memory. They touched my forehead in the same spot. There are a couple more but those seem more like a dream. One is very dream like. I walk over to the neighbors house to see a strange light in the back yard. I had just gotten home from a family dinner and had to take out the garbage. Last thing I remember was walking under the street light towards the neighbors then I was standing at the back gate latching it coming from the exact opposite direction of the street light. One of my parent asked where the heck I was. A voice popped in my head and I said, "I am tired and going to bed." 2 hours lost. That felt very dream like. I don't think I really want to remember what happened either! In all my life I have never thought, "If I can get a memory back... well that one time I lost 2 hours" Nope. Never has crossed my mind.

For a good read on the hypnogogic state and sleep paralysis... BBCnews - The strange case of the phantom pokemon.

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

Ok got it 👍
Yep I've seen Communion and still get hairs standing on end thinking of the scene. And I agree some things are best left un-remembered...

a reply to: Sansanoy

I think there are 2 sides to this observation, I do believe there is a distinct resemblance to the occult in some of the experiences I have read about and also in some of the experiences I have had. For me it didn't start out like that but there were times when it felt like that. I think it was due to my morbid curiosity with all of the unexplained phenomena and I became open to almost anything.

Looking back the people I invited into my life had a big influence in some way it was almost like whatever they were experiencing was effecting me also, often in quite unpleasant and negative ways.

The one thing thats clear is there is both a loving and gentle side to this and also a difficult and often dark side to it, not unlike human existence itself. Discernment is a huge part of this I believe.

The most infuriating aspect of my experiences is the lack of information, almost to the extent of it being something I am not supposed to see but I do. Never any reasons for what is happening and certainly no explanation of what they are. Some would say thats occult/demonic but where is God in all of this? Sitting in the crowd observing but not participating?

a reply to: surnamename57

Like I said its not a word I use ever, but it was the only word that I could find to explain what I was feeling at the time. I certainly don't mean religious connotation when I use the word as the experience was free from any of that, does that make sense?

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

I know that flight or fight response well.... I always ponder what would transpire if I didn't have that reaction at times, I have sat and watched things in my room calmly and then when I see something that really cranks up the anxiety and fear kicks in hard everything vanishes or I feel like I am given a general anaesthetic.