Tired of winning yet.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Really? Crapulent??? I'm looking that up Gryph. Sounds fishy..lol

You are correct..
Also from excessive eating. Hence the crap in Crapulent.
Ok it's Monday.
You will forgive me if having learned this new word I don't work it into my conversation today won't you?

a reply to: Olivine

Seems like navigating the swamp is proving trickier than trump thought.
He's gonna need the swamp dwellers to show him where the pitfalls and quicksand is.

a reply to: Sillyolme

Bull#. The hospital will bill you for the deductible. You can pay it off in installments. They will work with you. Like the mechanic who can make the deductible disappear with an inflated bill.

No, it is not BS. Xuenchen is correct. Doctors do not have to provide you with care if you are unable to pay. That is why there are so many people flooding the hospital emergency rooms, instead of going to their doctor's office, and why there are so many urgent care centers. EMTLA forces the hospitals to provide emergency care. Follow-up care and physician services are not mandatory.

Some doctors will not even take some insurances because they have been burned when the insurance company refuses to pay because the patient has not met their deductible. That leaves the doctor going unpaid for a whole lot of provided services, for a very long time, and most of the time they end up eating it. A sure way to kill any business.

As far as padding the bill is concerned, you can't pad a bill when the insurance company controls what services you provide, how much you get paid, and when. You can't cheat when you are constantly under their watchful electronic eye.

If you are writing a bill for business you have lawyers, politicians, and bankers writing the bill. If you are writing a bill for people, and effective healthcare, you have doctors, nurses, and lawyers writing the healthcare bill.

But we all know that the healthcare bill has very little to do with providing effective healthcare.

a reply to: Sillyolme

Hospitals maybe.

Private doctors not so much.



And even if you get "billed", they only way out is bankruptcy, and that is only one time for 10 years.

Bye Bye credit rating, hell-o endless phone calls from collection agencies, and hell-o wage garnishments.

The joke's on you either way.

a reply to: Hazardous1408

Better than not having enough seats to stop anything?

Still have the house?
Still have the senate?
Still have the potus?
Soon to have the SCOTUS?


60 days in
still pretty good

a reply to: Leonidas

That's more than a year since Obama took office in January 2009. Technically speaking, anything more than 1 year is considered years.

a reply to: xuenchen

How much is the deductible for a doctor's visit? Sixty bucks?

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: xuenchen

How much is the deductible for a doctor's visit? Sixty bucks?

That is set by your insurance. It is different per plan.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Hazardous1408

Better than not having enough seats to stop anything?

Still have the house?
Still have the senate?
Still have the potus?
Soon to have the SCOTUS?


60 days in
still pretty good

Gosh, I thought the SCOTUS wasn't political ...

/eyeroll

Don't count your chickens while there's still rotten eggs ...

a reply to: Gryphon66

SCOTUS isn't political?
www.nytimes.com...

But after being roundly criticized for a remarkable series of interviews in which she mocked Donald J. Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee for president, Justice Ginsburg on Thursday did something highly unusual for a member of the nation’s highest court: She admitted making a mistake. “Judges should avoid commenting on a candidate for public office,” she wrote in a brief statement issued by the court, admitting her remarks were “ill advised” and expressing regret. “In the future I will be more circumspect.”

Hey at least we didn't end up with that crap healthcare bill.

Here in Canada taxpayers pay a heck of a lot of tax to pay for Medicare which is only used by poor people who can't afford doctors. This is not fair. Why am I paying for someone else's healthcare? This is socialism. This is not free market. I'm all for free market. No one should pay for other people's healthcare. That's why I've been opposed to Obamacare in the first place.

originally posted by: SolAquarius
No matter who wins the whitehouse It seems the people always

lose.

That was my outlook pre election.

Shame the Trumpanzees can't see that. They have some form of Tourettes "OBAMA..... bah bah HILLARY!!! ... LEFTIST!!!"

originally posted by: allsee4eye
Here in Canada taxpayers pay a heck of a lot of tax to pay for Medicare which is only used by poor people who can't afford doctors. This is not fair. Why am I paying for someone else's healthcare? This is socialism. .

I think your compassion emotion is broken.
In a 1st world country you should look after the people who need help.
That's what separates you from beasts.

a reply to: shooterbrody

Traditionally, they have avoided politics. Supposedly.

If not, against what measure did Justice Ginsburg apologize (you know, from your own source?)

Anyway.

Be careful what you wish for ... typically, one-party states aren't a lot of "fun" to live in.

a reply to: Taggart

I'm a strong believer in natural law. Natural selection. The weak do not need compassion. Pets have genetic diseases compared to their natural counterparts because they lack natural selection and the weak are saved by medical care. Billions are spent on medical care for pets on diseases that do not exist in their natural counterparts. I do not believe society should spend money on medical care for the poor who cannot afford doctors because they cannot work due to disease or drugs.

If society saves the poor and the weak by paying for their medical care, then over time more and more people will be poor and weak, in terms of proportion of society, and society would collapse like what happened to the USSR.

Medicare, Obamacare, socialism, it's not sustainable under our current technological stage of society where money is so important.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Don't count your chickens while there's still rotten eggs ...

Do you have a scenario in which Neil Gorsuch is not confirmed?
Harry Reid showed the way; I believe the gop will follow his past precedent and push Gorsuch through if necessary.

a reply to: Sillyolme

How much is the deductible for a doctor's visit? Sixty bucks?

This stuff can be very confusing for people. I honestly believe it is deliberately designed that way because if most people looked too carefully at their healthcare plans they would see them for the rip-offs that they are.

The hardest part of my job was telling people that paid insurance companies thousands of dollars because they rhought they were protecting themselves and their children, only to find out that it was all a lie built on deceit.

Deductible
A deductible is the amount you pay for health care services before your health insurance begins to pay.

Let's say your plan's deductible is $1,500. That means for most services, you'll pay 100 percent of your medical and pharmacy bills until the amount you pay reaches $1,500.

After that, you share the cost with your plan by paying coinsurance and copays.

Coinsurance
Coinsurance is your share of the costs of a health care service.

It's usually figured as a percentage of the amount we allow to be charged for services. You start paying coinsurance after you've paid your plan's deductible.

Here's how it works. Lisa has allergies, so she sees a doctor regularly. She just paid her $1,500 deductible. Now her plan will cover 70 percent of the cost of her allergy shots. Lisa pays the other 30 percent; that's her coinsurance. If her treatment costs $150, her plan will pay $105 and she'll pay $45. If Lisa has a PPO plan, she has the option to see any doctor she wants. If she goes to an out-of-network doctor, her plan will still share the cost, but her percentage of coinsurance will be higher. And, if the medical service she gets is more than what her plan would pay for an in-network doctor, she'll have to pay the difference. Learn more about the difference between in-network and out-of-network benefits.

Copay
A copay is a fixed amount you pay for a health care service, usually when you receive the service.

The amount can vary by the type of service. You may also have a copay when you get a prescription filled. For example, a doctor’s office visit might have a copay of $30. The copay for an emergency room visit will usually cost more, such as $250.

For some services, you may have both a copay and coinsurance.

How do deductibles, coinsurance and copays work?

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Gryphon66

Don't count your chickens while there's still rotten eggs ...

Do you have a scenario in which Neil Gorsuch is not confirmed?
Harry Reid showed the way; I believe the gop will follow his past precedent and push Gorsuch through if necessary.

You're crowing about what you think will be a one-party state.

You're mistaken in that but that's off-topic.

Yes, Gorsuch will be confirmed. He's not a bad choice. Not the worst, anyway.

originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: Taggart

I'm a strong believer in natural law. Natural selection. The weak do not need compassion. Pets have genetic diseases compared to their natural counterparts because they lack natural selection and the weak are saved by medical care. Billions are spent on medical care for pets on diseases that do not exist in their natural counterparts. I do not believe society should spend money on medical care for the poor who cannot afford doctors because they cannot work due to disease or drugs.

If society saves the poor and the weak by paying for their medical care, then over time more and more people will be poor and weak, in terms of proportion of society, and society would collapse like what happened to the USSR.

Medicare, Obamacare, socialism, it's not sustainable under our current technological stage of society where money is so important.

So what was it like, growing up on Welfare?

a reply to: shooterbrody

Are you sure he has the house???
He didn't need the dems at all to pass his health care bill.

Oh and Gorsuch doesn't change the balance of the SCOTUS. It keeps it the same.
The next one would but not this one.