the 2016 election should have been suspended

a reply to: allsee4eye


Can you imagine the power we would have given Russia by suspending the U.S. election? Hell..it would still be suspended to this day if we had to wait for our Congress to come to a conclusion.

a reply to: allsee4eye

It's because people like you believed these lies,it was a joke,everything was pro Hillary,anti Trump,DNC made up story about Russians,and libtards ran with it,liberal needs no truth to try to force a point

Jeezus, do these people ever give up????

WOW!!

a reply to: allsee4eye

I respect your opinion, but I doubt that you and I would be able to come to a fair consensus of the definition of "interfering in the election" so Im not attempting to debate you, or sway you from your opinion, I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in.

Considering the IC believes the Russian government hacked the DNC in June 2016 to help Trump win the election,

IF the Russians did the hack, it was certainly unlawful, but revealing the emails does not count as interfering as far as Im concerned. It was not the act of being hacked, but the content and information brought in to the public eye that changed the tide of the election.
What did the email leak reveal?
The Emails werent just rumors and lies, They were real Emails, and they revealed the true nature of Hillary and other members of the DNC.
Is it interfering because the DNC wasnt able to hide their true personalities? Was it interfering because the illegal act of hacking exposed some evidence of (alleged) Crimes on behalf of the DNC?
Dont people want transparent politicians? Dont they want people who are honest and genuine and not putting on an act for the voters, simply to get elected? Dont people want to know WHO they are really voting for?
Id like to shake the hand of whoever did the hacks, because the Clintons have taken advantage of US Citizens for quite some time, and the leak gave us plenty of evidence as to the character of these politicians.
Ask yourself, "How were they able to get hacked in the first place?"
Answer: Hillary Clinton was storing CLASSIFIED emails concerning matters of National Security on an unsecured server!
Thats something that first year college students don't even do, for fear of losing term papers and other work!
Is it illegal to store such sensitive information on an unsecured server? Honestly, i dont know that it is, because im not familiar with those laws. Ive heard that it is, but without seeing the State or Federal Statute for myself, i cant argue that point.(If anyone knows for certain, please let me know)
I am certain that it is a breach of protocol though, with minimum consequences of a reprimand.
As a real world example, lets say I steal $100,000 from somewhere. Then you steal it from me just to turn it into the police, then I get arrested, go to jail etc.
I doubt a, "he interfered with my clean getaway of a crime, therefore I should be acquitted" argument will fly too far in court. I doubt there would be protests in the streets demanding my freedom. In the end I would be exposed for being what I was, even though I was exposed as the result of an illegal action.
Im also curious, has there been any statements from Hillary voters who changed their mind and their vote(on account of the email leaks), only to regret it when Russia was named as a suspect?
Lets say this was just some 40 year old bum, living in his moms basement who did the hack. Would that change the atmosphere? Obviously, hacking is illegal, and he would surely face trial, but would he also be charged with "interfering" in our election? Or just the hacking?
Well, those are my reasons for disqualifying the DNC hack as "interfering".
I dont wish to debate politics or policies, but im more than willing to listen to, and discuss examples with people who are on the opposite side of this argument.
Ive avoided all things political the past couple months because people have gotten too defensive/offensive. Theres WAY TOO MUCH of the, "this is what i think, and if you think anything different YOURE STUPID!!!" Attitudes EVERYWHERE! Not just on Internet forums either.
As respectable citizens, we abstain from prejudice against people based on race, religion and sex. But recently, its perfectly acceptable to be prejudiced against people who align themselves with a different political party or politicians. Why is that? Is it not the same?

Again, Im more than willing to hear the other side this argument, and respect your thoughts, opinions, and research, and most of all your character.

a reply to: butcherguy

LMAO!
Wow!
That says it all!
What the hell kind of hack could actually turn the favor that much against that competition!!!
I love when people like yourself spell out the BIG picture in just a few facts like you did!
Oh wait... musta been the Double Top Secret Super Probation Hack!!!

a reply to: allsee4eye

What's worse, hacking to expose corruption, or the corruption itself that was hidden?

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Hacking is illegal period. No matter for what purpose.

a reply to: allsee4eye

And you avoided my question. I asked which is worse.

Stealing $100 and Murdering children are both wrong also, one is worse than the other.

And this is why the modern globalist "left" is a threat.

They oppose everything that the western world stands for. Democracy, free speech etc.

They tolerate it as long as it is in the interests of maintaining their power, but once their power is threatened by such things they call for censorship and the suspension of elections.

Islamic extremism, Chinese expansionism, these are not our greatest threats. Our greatest threat is the enemy within.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Hacking is worse. Crimes are investigated by FBI and police, not by hackers.

a reply to: allsee4eye

So you are more angry about the crime committed rather than the exposed corruption that pushed the popular candidate out in the democratic primary??

Wow I do not know what to say... other than refer back to my first post here....

originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Hacking is illegal period. No matter for what purpose.

CIA hacking another country is illegal in that country, not in the US.

Russia hacking a US election is illegal in the US, not in Russia.

US intelligence agencies hacking an election in the US is illegal here in the US.

US intelligence agencies hacking US citizens in the US without a warrant is illegal too.

Releasing the names of US citizens and transcripts of legally obtained intelligence through FISA warrants can be illegal in several ways.

We have proof that one of these things happened and it is illegal. The question is who did it and whether anyone is really looking for them.

a reply to: Irishhaf

Bernie Sanders didn't mind being cheated on. He backed Hillary 100% and campaigned for her.

a reply to: allsee4eye

Hahahaha shill exposed. The exposing of actual serious crimes and bringing the truth to light is WORSE than the crimes and corruption.

That is so hilariously wrong.

Mr. Officer, yes I did murder 20 people, but it was only discovered because someone broke into my house. Arrest THEM officer, my crime pales in comparison.

a reply to: allsee4eye

At least we should have a do-over. Begin again. False start. Jumped the gun. That sort of thing.

Earlier today I saw an article that Tillerson (aka Wayne Tracker) has some troubles being exposed relative to his former position as CEO at ExxonMobil (once upon a time there was this disastrous oil spill up in the PNW...).

Tillerson signed off on doctored books to report to SEC re net value (overstated) and also climate change (omitted)

And just now I was reading about how the kids (Ivanka, Jared, Eric, and Donald) are all intimately involved with their dad's new job. If I was more obtuse, I might think it was because he needs handlers! and this team is actually going to run the damn government. Ivanka is the emotional stability, Don Jr is the business guy, Eric is the go-between, and Jared will be the Muse in Chief.

Jared will have a newly-created title (Sir Jared Of The Ideas, I believe)......
Ivanka's apartments are readied and while she still lacks an official title, she will be for all purposes, his mental case manager....
Eric? Well, Eric will be reporting quarterly to their dad about how the business stuff is going!

Meanwhile, dad should just go golfing every chance he gets, make some more spectacle, and they will handle everything else.

You know. Like ya do.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

At least we should have a do-over. Begin again. False start. Jumped the gun. That sort of thing.

because?

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

We can have a do over. If you are willing to pay billions for it out of your pocket.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

At least we should have a do-over. Begin again. False start. Jumped the gun. That sort of thing.

because?

Already explained it.

a reply to: allsee4eye

This country can put on an election at any time. it's simply a matter of people setting it up, and doing the work, same as ever, products and mailers and media and speech venues -- same as ever. No one pays anything. The providers of the machines, venues, products, mailers, and media can all - ALL!! - write it off as "community service" or "charity" or whatever. But saying it can't be done without "billions of dollars" is preposterous.

There should be no money involved in politics anyway

a reply to: allsee4eye

In fact, now that I have my brain on the job, it seems obvious that it would be simple, efficient, and quick. That's how grassroots things work. I tell my neighbors. Some of them decide to help me. We make signs. We hold a gathering in the most central public park for all of us. We vote on pieces of scratch paper that we retrieve from the recycling dumpers on the way. Everyone brings their own Sharpie or pen or pencil, and shares with those who forgot.

There's a drop-off spot at the park shelter.

Write your vote, drop it in the drop-off thing. Could be an old coffee can, or a shoe, or a mini-basket, or an old oil pan. Doesn't matter.
Operate the thing like a "caucus."

They already do that stuff. It's not hard.
Doesn't "cost" anything except some time and some stuff you already have, or things you already do everyday anyway.... we just all work at it.....using what we have on hand. We show up, and we take a vote.


Humans have had tribal organization and decision-making and do-overs since the dawn of time.....