Canada sends Letter of Request for 18 Super Hornets

a reply to: BeneGesseritWitch

What the hell does a robot arm have to do with making aircraft? If you really think that means that the Canadian aerospace industry is fine, then you need a serious reality check. And exactly what operational spacecraft currently use a robot arm? I'll wait while you list them all. It'll be a short list.

The Canadian aircraft market has become a niche market. Bombardier does more with business jets than they do with commercial aircraft. Of the 249 aircraft they delivered last year, 163 were business jets. They are one of the few companies that actually produces full up aircraft in Canada, and is a Canadian company. There are a number of companies there that produce parts for various aircraft manufacturers, but there aren't many full up builders. Which is a radical change from the way things were 30-40 years ago.

a reply to: hutch622

You'd think. It's kind of interesting though that once they found out they couldn't legally exclude the F-35 from a new competition, they suddenly announced they had a capability gap, that had all the higher ups in the RCAF going "Say what", and needed to immediately buy an interim fighter. And they promptly put everyone that is involved under an NDA.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Australia has also ordered super hornets as an interim gap filler as well but reading up on them they are wired to be converted to growlers at some point in the future , quite the smart move IMO . Kind of a two birds with one stone kind of thing .

originally posted by: BeneGesseritWitch
a reply to: Zaphod58

Okay you're American I get it; you sell retrofitted crop dusters to third world country at extravagant prices and tell them to go balls to the wall with their power level.
Seriously, asking me to give you a name of any operational spacecraft that still uses the canadian arm? First off the Russians who copied and made a drone out of the only American manned spacecraft did not have one, ugh India, ugh, still Russia even after they copied American tech, ugh any other country except a country allowed by Canada... hahah you are so cool man I can't even troll you because you think you're cool.
Seriously though the only time the Canadian arm was ever used was on omg! A joint program with surprise Americans!
I mean NDA

Its very difficult for me to understand.. since I am a lowly horrible stupid American, but.. in answer to his question youre saying NONE are using the polite arm?

a reply to: BeneGesseritWitch

And a robot arm STILL has nothing to do with the state of the Canadian aerospace industry. But, the only Canadian built robotic arm in space is used on the ISS. The Canadarm, which was on the Space Shuttle, was retired in 2011, with the Shuttle fleet.

You can sit and argue all you want, or try to troll all you want, but the simple reality is that the Canadian aerospace industry is not what it used to be. It was great once, and now it's more a niche market. They still do great in sales, but a huge part of that is either MRO, subsystem assemblies, or business jets. They have no manufacturers that can produce what the RCAF needs, either in transports or in fighters. Which is why they fly European or American made aircraft for almost everything. The only Canadian built aircraft in the RCAF are 4 CC-144s for VIP and medevac transports, 24 CT-114s used by the Snowbirds, 6 CC-115s that are in the process of being replaced by a European built aircraft, 4 CT-142 trainers, and a bunch of Bell helicopters that were built at their Canada facility.

If the Canadian aerospace industry was so incredible, as you claim, why aren't they flying Canadian built planes in the RCAF? You'd think they'd at least fly their own aircraft, if they were in such good shape.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Okay I'm biased on the subject is that what you want to hear;
Yes the Canadian Arm may be only used on ISS but seriously what do you think that american space drone is rocking for an arm? "It's gotta be brand new and never tested before!"-you

a reply to: BeneGesseritWitch

And, no matter how many times you bring up robot arms, it's not going to change the fact that the Canadian aerospace industry isn't what it used to be. There's a reason that so many foreign built aircraft are flying with Canadian airlines, and the military. And it's not because the US told them to buy them. You buy what's available, and "built in Canada" isn't available.

a reply to: D8Tee
I get it any country is stronger together but this is just nonsense,
Canada has it's own problems like some ATS user said by declaring Trump was causing immigrants to jump into Canada those are real things!
You're just saying "WE used to have alot of money by their federally funded programs but now that they quit I guess all theiyre smarts went too!!$$"

originally posted by: BeneGesseritWitch
a reply to: D8Tee
I get it any country is stronger together but this is just nonsense,
Canada has it's own problems like some ATS user said by declaring Trump was causing immigrants to jump into Canada those are real things!
You're just saying "WE used to have alot of money by their federally funded programs but now that they quit I guess all theiyre smarts went too!!$$"

Wasn't much to that robotic arm.
Nothing even close to a fifth generation stealth fighter.
Diefenbaker wrecked Canada's ability to make systems of war when he cancelled the Avro Aero.
Pretty sure there was a non compete deal made at the same time, Canada will be nothing more than a purchaser, never again a primary manufacturer of any major systems. Thanks a lot liberals.

Dude seriously after the whole fiasco of MK-Ultra; Canada was the only country with the civil liberties to come forward with unpurged documents on what happened in its universities and you guys are so hawt on the idea that because they came clean they're short on the level of our fav secret keeper?
Avro Aero looks similiar to the f35 for something made in the 60's...
Of course Super Hornets are a proven platform... , coca cola is # 1

a reply to: BeneGesseritWitch

All of which STILL has nothing to do with the fact that the Canadian aerospace industry is in no shape to build a new fighter for the RCAF.

The F-18 might be proven, but it's also old. Even with new technology added to it, it's going to be a second line fighter within 10 years. And the RCAF is STILL going to have to have their replacement program. Thanks to the current government, all the money that was supposedly saved by not buying the F-35, is going to be spent, along with an additional few billion to replace the F-18s.

OK, ladies and gentlemen...

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originally posted by: BeneGesseritWitch
Seagulls go to the ocean to die,
The F-35
a multinational project,
You can be hard ass and follow the thread drift to the logical conclusion pointed out by the op that the F-35 was abandoned by the Canadian government in favor of said F-18's, which may or may not have been suggested this is up to the moderator to leave posted.
Regardless the F35 even if the Canadian's left it behind in monetary support, is still technically proven to behind in certain fields with other major countries 5th generation fighters.
The Chinese copied it and
The Russians continued on their crusade of close combat fighters.

The chinese copied the F35?
An identical copy?
Are they cheaper?

originally posted by: BeneGesseritWitch
pointed out by the op that the F-35 was abandoned by the Canadian government in favor of said F-18's,

Except it wasn't. The Super Hornets are an interim fix, until they have their actual competition to replace the F-18s. Which is the problem

is still technically proven to behind in certain fields with other major countries 5th generation fighters.

The only other operational fifth generation fighter is the J-20, which was just declared operational. And there is no evidence that the F-35 is behind it in any way. In fact the evidence is that the F-35 is still ahead of it. The T-50 won't go operational for several more years.

a reply to: D8Tee

Id read the J 20 was supposed to be better and cheaper.. a hacker stole the info and sold it to the chinese. However, I wouldnt think it was better.. Probably cheaper.. made.