Let's play spin the lie..

Trump supporters, I'm genuinely curious how you can spin this lie. It's a video, but only 2 minutes long. For everyone like me that hates watching videos and would rather read something or if you can't watch it for whatever reason, it shows Trump emphatically stating he has no relationship with Putin, then shows him several years ago positively stating he does have a relationship with Putin.

He has to be lying in one of the instances, so my question is which one? Or is he in some weird way telling the truth in both cases? Cue me in on this if you can. Listening to what Trump actually says and then listening to what his supporters think he said makes me feel like I'm in some ancient past life 3000 years ago standing outside of a temple watching the leader inhale some volcanic gases, stumble outside, yell some gibberish, and then his followers scream at you what it actually means.

So with that being said, here's the video:

What I want to know is why do you people CONTINUOUSLY take ANYTHING ANY of the elite say at face value? I am not going to get into the partisan bickering. I don't have that ax to grind. I just want that one question answered. Help me "understand" because I sure as hell don't.

originally posted by: underwerks
feel like I'm in some ancient past life 3000 years ago standing outside of a temple watching the leader inhale some volcanic gases, stumble outside, yell some gibberish, and then his followers scream at you what it actually means.

Man, nail on the head lmao.

I'm interested to see what the translations are as well

-Alee

originally posted by: SpeakerofTruth
What I want to know is why do you people CONTINUOUSLY take ANYTHING ANY of the elite say at face value? I am not going to get into the partisan bickering. I don't have that ax to grind. I just want that one question answered. Help me "understand" because I sure as hell don't.

If I took what Trump said at face value this wouldn't be a thread. I question everything he says, which is why I'm curious which part he is lying about.

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: SpeakerofTruth
What I want to know is why do you people CONTINUOUSLY take ANYTHING ANY of the elite say at face value? I am not going to get into the partisan bickering. I don't have that ax to grind. I just want that one question answered. Help me "understand" because I sure as hell don't.

If I took what Trump said at face value this wouldn't be a thread. I question everything he says, which is why I'm curious which part he is lying about.

Yes, but you present it as if you thought it would be any different. When was the last time we had a governmental "leader" that gave a straight, not flip-floppy, answer to any question asked?

a reply to: underwerks

What's the point? What is the strategic important of a personal conversation between different heads of state? Should we not have passable relations with Russian in order to insure that we don't degenerate to World War Three? I don't care if they get together for beers and chips. You continue to harp on an issue with no credible substance.

And what about that off-camera, conciliatory comment Obama made the the Russian prime minister after he seemingly was not so friendly during the broadcast part of the meeting?

You do know it is all a game, don't you? 'Course, your team didn't win in the playoffs.

originally posted by: SpeakerofTruth

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: SpeakerofTruth
What I want to know is why do you people CONTINUOUSLY take ANYTHING ANY of the elite say at face value? I am not going to get into the partisan bickering. I don't have that ax to grind. I just want that one question answered. Help me "understand" because I sure as hell don't.

If I took what Trump said at face value this wouldn't be a thread. I question everything he says, which is why I'm curious which part he is lying about.

Yes, but you present it as if you thought it would be any different. When was the last time we had a governmental "leader" that gave a straight answer to any question asked?

Never. I don't think he's any different than any other politician. But I'm the minority on this site. This is geared toward his supporters who unquestioningly believe and spin everything they're told to by his administration.

a reply to: underwerks



All people move in similar circles, business, family, friends and

aquaintances, and dare I say politicians?

Therefor you may bump into the same people often at functions,

where you are polite and make conversation, but never know them

more than casually, which means no relationship of any

consequence


A possibility?

originally posted by: Aliensun
a reply to: underwerks

What's the point? What is the strategic important of a personal conversation between different heads of state? Should we not have passable relations with Russian in order to insure that we don't degenerate to World War Three? I don't care if they get together for beers and chips. You continue to harp on an issue with no credible substance.

And what about that off-camera, conciliatory comment Obama made the the Russian prime minister after he seemingly was not so friendly during the broadcast part of the meeting?

You do know it is all a game, don't you? 'Course, your team didn't win in the playoffs.

If none of it matters, why would he lie about it?

a reply to: underwerks

I hear you. I am willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt, but I don't suspect he'll be much different than any of the others we've had in the past 40 years. Maybe I am just jaded, but...

a reply to: underwerks
Damn...he really got this political speak down quickly.

I will say this--I believe him now more than I would believe what he said 3 or 4 years ago. I'm willing to bet that, in Trump fashion, he was building himself up to seem more connected than he really is, and now that he has to be relatively honest about his relationships with foreign leaders, reality is setting in.

A phone call does not a relationship make. Having nice things said about you by someone does not a relationship make. I think that Trump is probably delusional about what really is a relationship.

a reply to: underwerks

id like to see what supporters have to say to this as well.
i doubt we will see your question answered though even though it is very simple

originally posted by: eletheia
a reply to: underwerks



All people move in similar circles, business, family, friends and

aquaintances, and dare I say politicians?

Therefor you may bump into the same people often at functions,

where you are polite and make conversation, but never know them

more than casually, which means no relationship of any

consequence

A possibility?

That is a possibility, but he specifically said he did have a relationship with Putin. Not that they had met in passing.

a reply to: TinySickTears
Then give your simple, magical answer so that the thread can be closed.

Or is it just a simple opinion, instead?

originally posted by: SlapMonkey
a reply to: underwerks
Damn...he really got this political speak down quickly.

I will say this--I believe him now more than I would believe what he said 3 or 4 years ago. I'm willing to bet that, in Trump fashion, he was building himself up to seem more connected than he really is, and now that he has to be relatively honest about his relationships with foreign leaders, reality is setting in.

A phone call does not a relationship make. Having nice things said about you by someone does not a relationship make. I think that Trump is probably delusional about what really is a relationship.

He may well have been just talking himself up in the clip from a few years ago, that's a thought I had as well. But that's still a lie. And a lot of people don't believe he lies.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

my simple answer that works in my head is assume he is lying because that is what he has shown me.
he cant have a relationship and not have a relationship with him at the same time.

of course not everyone feels that way but i do.
i just assume he is lying

What's the liberal definition of "having a relationship?"

Obviously there's a big difference between a private relationship as a private citizen and a public relationship as a public officer.

Sure, I'll play, even though I don't really care.

Way back, he said he had a relationship, because he wanted to look more important than he was. You know, like a braggart.

Not so strange. He's a man. LOL
JK guys.

Obviously he was full of # at one point or maybe even now in regards to his relationship to Putin. Thing is most of us don't care about the little things when he is following through with his campaign promises. Any other questions you want answers to?