Judge Napolitano: Obama used British spies for Trump wiretap caper

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: Grimpachi
This thread seems to be one of those where the OP presents something that could have happened and tries to convince others it did happen.

No evidence just gut feelings.

Wrong. I posted a news report.

Have anything else...?

So, now "Fox & Friends" is a news source?

Shirley, you jest?

I think it's as good as any. It's Fox, not some propaganda arm of the DNC like CNN or MSNBC where lying is considered justified in defense of the failed socialist ideology they espouse.

You're welcome to provide contradictory evidence to refute the reporting of Judge Napolitano.

You do realize that for starters, the Fox network as well as "Fox & Friends" don't even identify their show as a news source.

And secondly, Fox News in the only news network that actually took it to court, fought for and won, the right to lie to their viewers.

So far as I can tell, every so-called news source listed in the thread propagates "fake news" and y'all just eat it up.

This was on fox and friends?
Why is it not on the fox news website?
It was there earlier today, now it appears to be gone.

originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: SBMcG

Obama has always thought he was smarter than anyone else. He spent years putting his personal safety net in place and infiltrating our government with his players. Yes....I said infiltrated (as in Trojan horse.)

The Dems have always thought their causes were more righteous than anybody else's and that the ends justify the means. They are so arrogant that they would damn the Constitution and the rule of law to accomplish the goals of their ideology.

Obama screwed up. He has met his match and then some. He never expected anybody other than Hillary to win. They sabotaged Bernie Sanders (or paid him off) and until the summer of 2016 discounted Donald Trump.

Obama is toast. You screw The American People and they find out about it, you are in serious trouble. I have said it before and I will say it again, "Obama is the worst thing Americans ever did to themselves".

Brilliant comment -- I couldn't agree more!

Is NSA Director Mike Rogers the key to all of this?

Why did he meet with Trump in mid-November 2016 unbeknownst to anyone else in the Obama Regime?

Here's an interesting timeline of events as we now know them to be...

Obama Spying Timeline

originally posted by: shooterbrody
This was on fox and friends?
Why is it not on the fox news website?
It was there earlier today, now it appears to be gone.

I didn't see it on the main FNC site this morning. Was it there? I read that site pretty thoroughly in the morning.

My link came from the always excellent Breitbart.

It all comes down to this very simple situation that we're dealing with.

Trump has made a claim that Obama Wiretapped him. That is the claim being made.
What we're asking for is the Proof which Trump apparently has or knows that validates that claim. That is the question.

Now, we've waited for an answer to that question for over a week now even though it should have been something he could answer right then and there since before you make a claim you have the proof to validate it first. Otherwise you can't claim something as a fact yet. But that is what Trump did.

So in the last week or more we have these theories floating around.
1. Obama got a FISA warrant for it.
2. The British did it.
3. Microwaves and TV's did it secretly.

Those are three right there and there might be more than that too. However, Trump has to state what his proof was when he made that statement. Now, he can say it's one of those three above or provide a different one. It doesn't matter as long as he provides what his proof was.

The reason he hasn't is because at this point, since he never had any actual proof to valid his statement as a fact, he's just waiting to see which one of those three or perhaps some other excuse people will by and then he'll say that.

That is what's happening here and it's obvious as hell. Because that is how things work. Either he lied when he made that claim or he didn't. If he didn't then he'd already have what he needs to validate his claim. But if he lied and doesn't want to get caught, he now has to try and validate his claim after he already made it So he's looking for proof of his statement now. Or at least another lie that people will believe so he looks like he always knew.

It's very simple.

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: Grimpachi
This thread seems to be one of those where the OP presents something that could have happened and tries to convince others it did happen.

No evidence just gut feelings.

Wrong. I posted a news report.

Have anything else...?

So, now "Fox & Friends" is a news source?

Shirley, you jest?

I think it's as good as any. It's Fox, not some propaganda arm of the DNC like CNN or MSNBC where lying is considered justified in defense of the failed socialist ideology they espouse.

You're welcome to provide contradictory evidence to refute the reporting of Judge Napolitano.

You do realize that for starters, the Fox network as well as "Fox & Friends" don't even identify their show as a news source.

And secondly, Fox News in the only news network that actually took it to court, fought for and won, the right to lie to their viewers.

So far as I can tell, every so-called news source listed in the thread propagates "fake news" and y'all just eat it up.

You're entitled to your opinion, I strongly disagree. Fox & Friends is a news and commentary show on a cable news channel. Napolitano was making a news report on that show based upon reporting presumably he had done. maybe others (producers, reporters) were involved as well.

Just because you don't like the reporting doesn't mean it's not true.

Obama is a well-established liar with a long history of spying.

This news about Trump shouldn't shock anyone.

a reply to: mOjOm

Here are the facts:

Someone in the Obama Regime requested FISA warrants. One was evidently granted.

Someone in the Obama Regime requested wiretapping of a Trump Tower server by the FBI, who reportedly found nothing.

Mike Flynn was wiretapped in Trump Tower during a phone conversion.

These are FACTS not in dispute.

Obama, as he has done a dozen or so times in the past, spied on an American citizen for his own political purposes.

a reply to: SBMcG

The difference is that Flatfish isn't talking about his opinion. He is stating facts about Fox news. You are using your opinion against his facts and choosing your opinion.

That is where the issue lies.

So let me get this straight, unverified sources are good enough to convict Obama but other unverified sources regarding Trump are fake. LOL

Yep, hypocrisy here.

a reply to: SBMcG

Well, if those are undisputed facts. Then why isn't Trump using those alleged Facts to validate his claim??

Because that is really all we've been waiting to hear for over a week now.

Where and by what means Trump is making the Claim of Wiretapping in his mind a Fact. What makes that claim a fact???

That's all we've been waiting for is his reason for that statement. So if those are the facts why isn't he giving us that answer???

Instead Spicer is now saying He didn't mean it literally which makes it even worse. Because for a week it was supposed to be some secret info he had that we didn't know about. Now it's changed to us taking him out of context and that it's not really what he was saying. But apparently those are the facts according to you. So which is it?? Is it True because you have facts to back it up or is it us taking him out of context or too literally in what he said???

You see, the problem now is it doesn't matter what is said because no matter what it's impossible to know the truth of it. That's how a cover up works. It just hides the truth in confusion.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: SBMcG

Oh right ok.

So now it's another government working for Obama that 's doing it. Right.....

But what about those microwaves and TV's???

Plus I thought Spicer already said the problem was people taking him literally???

Looks like all we really have here is excuses after excuses. Sure stinks like a cover up to me.

Why not just throw in the mix that it was aliens or maybe the mandella effect while your at it??? Perhaps time travelers???

Such BS.

What about the Russians hmm?

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: SBMcG

The difference is that Flatfish isn't talking about his opinion. He is stating facts about Fox news. You are using your opinion against his facts and choosing your opinion.

That is where the issue lies.

I answered her question as well as I could because it was predicated on an outright lie.

It's laughable to claim the leftist-coddling press like Fake News CNN and MSNBC are more reliable than Fox.

No wonder these leftists have done so much losing lately -- they're totally deluded.

a reply to: Wardaddy454

What about them???

How about precognition.

Maybe that is how Trump knows stuff nobody else does. Perhaps it was madam ruby and her crystal ball which filled him in.

I mean why the hell not at this point??? It's about as close to the truth as we'll ever get now anyway.

a reply to: SBMcG

Then let's just say they are all equally unreliable at that point.

So if that's the case then Fox is out of the picture too as being Fake News along with the rest.

My guess is that you won't accept that because you like what Fox news has to say at least part of the time and so you don't consider them fake news. (Even though factually they actually went to court and fought to be fake news legally.)

And that is what is known as living in a bubble.

You accept what you want to accept despite any and all opposition to it regardless of how factual that opposition may be.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: Wardaddy454

What about them???

How about precognition.

Maybe that is how Trump knows stuff nobody else does. Perhaps it was madam ruby and her crystal ball which filled him in.

I mean why the hell not at this point??? It's about as close to the truth as we'll ever get now anyway.

Oh you poor thing, I think you have Trump Derangement Syndrome.

That was certainly not the point I was making.

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: Grimpachi
This thread seems to be one of those where the OP presents something that could have happened and tries to convince others it did happen.

No evidence just gut feelings.

Wrong. I posted a news report.

Have anything else...?

So, now "Fox & Friends" is a news source?

Shirley, you jest?

I think it's as good as any. It's Fox, not some propaganda arm of the DNC like CNN or MSNBC where lying is considered justified in defense of the failed socialist ideology they espouse.

You're welcome to provide contradictory evidence to refute the reporting of Judge Napolitano.

You do realize that for starters, the Fox network as well as "Fox & Friends" don't even identify their show as a news source.

And secondly, Fox News in the only news network that actually took it to court, fought for and won, the right to lie to their viewers.

So far as I can tell, every so-called news source listed in the thread propagates "fake news" and y'all just eat it up.

You're entitled to your opinion, I strongly disagree. Fox & Friends is a news and commentary show on a cable news channel. Napolitano was making a news report on that show based upon reporting presumably he had done. maybe others (producers, reporters) were involved as well.

Just because you don't like the reporting doesn't mean it's not true.

Obama is a well-established liar with a long history of spying.

This news about Trump shouldn't shock anyone.

Really??? That's the best you got???

Fox News went to court and fought for the right to lie to their viewers and to fire any of their reporters who refused to do so on the air in a Florida court and won!!!!!

Who does that??? I'll tell you who, someone who plans on lying a lot, that's who.

Fox News recognized early on that there was a very gullible, willfully ignorant demographic out there who were seeking a "news source" who wouldn't let lying stand in the way of pandering to their pre-determined bias and you be them.

a reply to: mOjOm

Why are you asking me about what others are or are not doing? I have no idea. The facts being reported are the facts we have to work with.

We also have Obama's long history of being a serial liar and having spied on many others in the past.

Right now I doubt more than 5 people on the planet really know the extent of the Obama wiretapping of Donald Trump, and Trump himself probably isn't one of them. He's a relative newcomer to the scene.

Don't worry, we'll get to the bottom of it. Watergate played out the same way and it took many months before we had a clear picture of that Obama-like liar.

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: Grimpachi
This thread seems to be one of those where the OP presents something that could have happened and tries to convince others it did happen.

No evidence just gut feelings.

Wrong. I posted a news report.

Have anything else...?

So, now "Fox & Friends" is a news source?

Shirley, you jest?

I think it's as good as any. It's Fox, not some propaganda arm of the DNC like CNN or MSNBC where lying is considered justified in defense of the failed socialist ideology they espouse.

You're welcome to provide contradictory evidence to refute the reporting of Judge Napolitano.

You do realize that for starters, the Fox network as well as "Fox & Friends" don't even identify their show as a news source.

And secondly, Fox News in the only news network that actually took it to court, fought for and won, the right to lie to their viewers.

So far as I can tell, every so-called news source listed in the thread propagates "fake news" and y'all just eat it up.

You're entitled to your opinion, I strongly disagree. Fox & Friends is a news and commentary show on a cable news channel. Napolitano was making a news report on that show based upon reporting presumably he had done. maybe others (producers, reporters) were involved as well.

Just because you don't like the reporting doesn't mean it's not true.

Obama is a well-established liar with a long history of spying.

This news about Trump shouldn't shock anyone.

Really??? That's the best you got???

Fox News went to court and fought for the right to lie to their viewers and to fire any of their reporters who refused to do so on the air in a Florida court and won!!!!!

Who does that??? I'll tell you who, someone who plans on lying a lot, that's who.

Fox News recognized early on that there was a very gullible, willfully ignorant demographic out there who were seeking a "news source" who wouldn't let lying stand in the way of pandering to their pre-determined bias and you be them.

Those are the same laughably-desperate leftist talking points in your previous point without any source to back up the loony claims.

Name ONE news story Fox intentionally lied about or we're done here.

originally posted by: knoxie
a reply to: SBMcG


what about all the Russian spies who DIED shortly after the British dossier came out?

No real proof any Russian spies died.