Eight Russian Operatives Now Dead Since Election - Who's Counting the Bodies?

How many "Russian operatives" are there? Probably several thousand, and many who are old. What's the chance that many will actually die at some stage? If you work out the numbers and their ages, you will probably work out that the attrition rate is within normality, and no amount of trying to make it sound like someone is going around killing off "Russian operatives" for some reason, will let you escape from that fact.

Obviously of your list a couple died through criminality, such as being shot by an assassin on TV, but most just died.

When you say "Found dead at home under mysterious circumstances", and "Suspect heart failure but suspicious timing", and "Another suspicious heart failure case", are you actually inserting these words for dramatic reasons, or do you have evidence that the heat failure was really suspicious and found to be the case at Inquest, or by the police?

a reply to: DJW001

Hmm. You don't think it is suspicious that bodies started dropping after this statement?

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originally posted by: Redex
a reply to: DJW001

Hmm. You don't think it is suspicious that bodies started dropping after this statement?

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Nope. Obama, quite simply, does not have the guts. Using drones in war zones is one thing; assassinating Russian diplomats would be asking for reprisals.

a reply to: DJW001

Possibly. So what kind of response do you think happened? Nothing?

originally posted by: Redex
a reply to: DJW001

Possibly. So what kind of response do you think happened? Nothing?

I don't think it was an American action. Some simply passed away from illness and old age. A couple were apparently purged by the Kremlin. But if you must blame the Americans, it is Donald Trump who needs to be the fall guy.

a reply to: DJW001

Right, but do you think a response was given after this statement? He clearly says some of it wouldn't be public. If so, how do you think Obama responded to Russia before leaving office?

Gentlemen, this is not how the game is played.
Its been running since 1945 and even before that. ( Damn you Kim Philby )
Any unit or section that left a trail of bodies this long and with so much publicity would have been "Whacked" themselves.
The majority of medical reports show natural or medical CODs.

If anything the intel community is using this for misdirection, simply because it is attention getting, interesting and exciting.

Not so for General Igor Dmitrievich Sergun, he's a exception.

Buck

a reply to: Julie Washington

I don't think it's a coordinated effort by any one agency or country because the results are too ineffectual. There are some deaths that I agree are suspicious (Andrey Malanin.) However, the deaths from disease (heart failure) are actually something I read as 'natural causes.'

So let's say that I wanted to remove ... threats to Kim Jong Il and I was director of SMERSH (yes, an "Get Smart" reference.) What you want to do is remove the targets that can cause you the most harm and that means the ones that have the most power and most contacts and most influence. Killing a secretary is a waste of time. Killing a bank clerk, likewise.

What you want to get rid of are potential leaders. Killing a military commander makes more sense because they control a lot of resources and people (bank clerks and secretaries don't.) Killing a former high official (leader of the senate, etc) makes sense because they can get money funneled to them and rouse up mobs.

To get rid of an ambassador, you just disgrace them and bring them home to jail or replace them and put someone in that you want. They might give your secrets to another nation but they don't really have the resources to lead a national revolt.

So I think that Andrey Karlov's assassination was political, but not funded by anyone or intended as anything but a Turk making a statement about Russia inside his own country.

I will be adding more details as time permits.... but firstly, a heart attack is not necessarily a "natural" occurrence.

A CIA secret weapon used for assassination shoots a small poison dart to cause a heart attack, as explained in Congressional testimony in the video. The dart from this secret CIA weapon can penetrate clothing and leave nothing but a tiny red dot on the skin. On penetration of the deadly dart, the individual targeted for assassination may feel as if bitten by a mosquito, or they may not feel anything at all. The poisonous dart completely disintegrates upon entering the target. The lethal poison then rapidly enters the bloodstream causing a heart attack. Once the damage is done, the poison denatures quickly, so that an autopsy is very unlikely to detect that the heart attack resulted from anything other than natural causes. Sounds like the perfect James Bond weapon, doesn't it? Yet this is all verifiable in Congressional testimony. The astonishing information about this secret weapon of the CIA comes from U.S. Senate testimony in 1975 on rogue activities of the CIA. This weapon is only one of many James Bond-like discoveries of the Church Committee hearings, officially known as the United States Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations with Respect to Intelligence activities.

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a reply to: DJW001

...it is suspicious that so many Russian diplomats would die in such a short period of time just as President Trump is being investigated for his Russian ties.

It is, isn't it? Kinda looks like Putin is tying up loose lips. I mean ends.

And now we have this today.... The State Department formally requests the cause of death of the Ambassador Vitaly Churkin to not be released to the public.

The medical examiner is responsible for investigating deaths that occur by criminal violence, accident, suicide, suddenly or when the person seemed healthy, or if someone died in any unusual or suspicious manner. Most of the deaths investigated by the office are not suspicious. City policy is to release the cause of death. Donovan argued that state policies could be overruled by federal authority where “it creates an obstacle to the achievement of the President’s foreign policy as reflected in an international agreement.”

Wonder why releasing the cause of death would be an "obstacle to the achievement of the President's foreign policy?

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a reply to: Julie Washington

I will be adding more details as time permits.... but firstly, a heart attack is not necessarily a "natural" occurrence.

Here's the Russian version:



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I have a theory of what all this Russian stuff is all about.

Remember that since 9-11 the US and EU have been cracking down on secret bank accounts and such for the war on terrorism as well as to try to stop the wealthy from evading taxes.

Maybe the wealthy have been hiding all their money is Russia and that's why Trump is so connected to them??

a reply to: CB328

Maybe the wealthy have been hiding all their money is Russia and that's why Trump is so connected to them??

Russian oligarchs have been laundering their money by investing in the United States and Europe. Sometimes their loans and purchases look suspiciously like bribes. That is why Trump is probably already in violation of the Emoluments Clause.

My guess would be CIA assets getting purged.

If so absolutely nothing of value was lost.

originally posted by: Ohanka
My guess would be CIA assets getting purged.

If so absolutely nothing of value was lost.

Of course, it is always the Evil Americans. Is 'Ameriphobe" a word?

a reply to: Julie Washington

Its Putin trying to silence anybody that can prove they rigged the election to make sure the tangerine tard won. Trump and his administration is obviously not smart enough to manage to do anything like that and he wouldnt be allowed to without approval from his boss Putin.

Add a 9th body to your list, Denis Voronenkov.

A former Russian lawmaker and key witness in a treason case against Ukraine's ousted leader Viktor Yanukovich was shot dead in broad daylight outside a hotel in central Kiev on Thursday, police said.
Former MP Denis Voronenkov was killed by an assailant who is now in hospital after being wounded by Voronenkov's bodyguard during the incident, police said.

reuters

"In broad daylight in the center of Kiev, former Russian lawmaker Denis Voronenkov was shot. He had provided investigators of the military prosecutor's office with highly important (witness) testimony for the case. This was a typical show execution of a witness by the Kremlin."

originally posted by: Julie Washington
1. Sergei Krivov - Russian Consular Duty Commader - November 8, 2016 - Blunt Force Trauma to Head - in New York

Election day in November 2016, Sergei Krivov was found just before 7 a.m. lying on the floor of the Russian Consulate in New York. Krivov was a 'consular duty commander' at the Russian Consulate. That position is no ordinary security guard. According to other public Russian-language descriptions of the duty commander position, Krivov would have been in charge of, among other things, “prevention of sabotage” and suppression of “attempts of secret intrusion” into the consulate. In other words, it was Krivov’s job to make sure US intelligence agencies didn’t have ears in the building.

2. Andrey Karlov- Russian Ambassador to Turkey - Deceember 18, 2016 - Shot and murdered in Museum in Ankara

Met his fate while giving a speech at an art exhibit in Ankara, when Mevlüt Mert Altıntaş — an off-duty Turkish riot police officer — fired several shots from behind, fatally wounding the diplomat...

3. Petr Polshinkov - Russian Diplomat to Latin America - December 18, 2016 - Shot at home in Moscow

4. Oleg Erovinkin - Ex KGB Chief who contributed intel to the Trump-Russia dossier - December 29, 2016 - Found dead in car

Erovinkin has been described as a key liaison between Sechin and Russian president Vladimir Putin. Mr Steele writes in an intelligence report dated July 19, 2016, he has a source close to Sechin, who had disclosed alleged links between Mr Trump’s supporters and Moscow. The death of Erovinkin has prompted speculation it is linked to Mr Steele’s explosive dossier, which was made public earlier this month. Mr Trump has dismissed the dossier as “fake news” and no evidence has emerged to support its lurid claims.

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5. Andrey Malanin - Russian Consular to Athens -January 9, 2017 in Athens - Found dead at home under mysterious circumstances.

6. Aleksandr Kadakin - Russian Ambassador to India - January 26, 2017 in New Delhi - Suspect heart failure but suspicious timing

7. Vitaly Churkin - Russia's ambassador to the United Nations - February 20, 2017 in New York - Another suspicious heart failure case.

8. Alex Oron - Ukraine Business Man - Trump/Russia Conspirator living in a Trump owned property. March 2017 - (Still looking for cause)

Alex Oronov was the individual who arranged a meeting between Donald Trump’s attorney Michael Cohen and Trump’s Russian former business partner Felix Sater, with the assistance of Russian-controlled Ukrainian politician Andrey Artemenko. That meeting resulted in Cohen delivering a Kremlin-backed proposal to National Security Adviser Michael Flynn’s office just before he resigned. The plan involved Donald Trump using Russian blackmail to force out the president of Ukraine, so Artemenko could become president and give Crimea to Russia.

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However, Pravda reported, “According to ABS-CBN, a post-mortem examination of Churkin’s body showed the presence of poison in his kidneys. Allegedly, the diplomat had had late supper, at around midnight, hours before his death. Perpetrators could have added an unknown substance in his food.” Read More: www.trueactivist.com...

And lets just throw this one in the pot too.

Yves Chandelon, Chief Auditor of NATO in charge of counterterrorism funding

As the media in Belgium reported, it’s suspected that the official most likely committed suicide. However, his family has rejected this notion and there are key facts that a lot of people are missing.

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Yep...sounds like the Clintons are cleaning up loose ends again. Let's see...who is more likely to kill, Clinton or Trump....one has a LONG history of people around her dying when controversy pops up, the other fires a lot of people.