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Barack Obama: "Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket." (January 2008)
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: TinfoilTP
Ah. Those "factors."
Thing is, PV works really, really well in some places. Less so in others. Thing is, there are other options as well. Thing is, burning coal is more expensive than gas. Nastier too.
originally posted by: TinfoilTP
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: TinfoilTP
Ah. Those "factors."
Thing is, PV works really, really well in some places. Less so in others. Thing is, there are other options as well. Thing is, burning coal is more expensive than gas. Nastier too.
Since nobody is ever going to have a few quadrillion laying about, the only way it could ever be done is through slave labor where the panels are a few pennies and the labor to install them is the cost of the gruel/slop you feed them to work. It looks like Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia could have done it, oh oh there's them damn commie Russians again.
Denmark Just Ran Their Entire Country on 100% Wind Energy
Countries all over the world are making major strides in renewable energy. Many nations are investing in new clean energy infrastructure that is allowing them to supply enough power to meet their energy needs by great percentages, if not entirely.
...Costa Rica is one of the most impressive countries to look at in terms of renewable energy. The island nation is able to run entirely on renewable energy for months at a time. In fact, in 2015 the country met 99 percent of its total energy need from renewable sources alone.
originally posted by: TinfoilTP
a reply to: Sillyolme
Amount of fuel used to generate 1 kWh: Coal = 0.00052 short tons or 1.04 pounds. Natural gas = 0.01011 Mcf (an Mcf equals 1,000 cubic feet) Petroleum = 0.00173 barrels (or 0.07 gallons)
or about 8 120watt solar panels to create 1 kWh, the largest avail commonly today.
Those are just to make 1kw of power.
I found this somewhere, you can too with google.
Electricity - consumption: 3.832 trillion kWh (2012 est.)
So multiply 3.832 trillion by 8, and that is how many solar panels the US needs annually and that was back in 2012, more is needed as time goes on.
30,656,000,000,000 or over 30 and a half trillion panels. An average cost of the most efficient 120watt panel is $200.
6,131,200,000,000,000 so it would cost over 6 quadrillion US dollars to buy enough solar panels to supply the US with enough energy in 2012.
The US is only a few trillion in debt now and people are having heart attacks over it. How are we going to come up with 6 quadrillion dollars initial investment on panels alone, not including installation, maintenance, the massive square footage preparation (an astronomical number itself that is unfeasible) to justify Solar energy?
Solar is a pipe dream, coal is real.
Oh and those solar panel numbers, those are only if they are receiving direct sunlight 24 hours a day, which is impossible so multiply 6 quadrillion by 3 for one third of the day of solar, then multiply by 2 to account for bad weather and seasonal conditions. 36 quadrillion spent on solar panels, dream on.
Thermal uses mirrors to heat molten salt (those big towers that ignite birds), which can then be stored for use at night.
The plant cost $3.9 billion dollars US ($3.9E+9, much of it a gift from hard-pressed European taxpayers diverted by guilty CO2-obsessed European liberals), and it produces 370 gigawatt-hours per year (370E+9 watt-hrs).
Now, in the US a power plant typically sells its product for something like six cents US per kilowatt-hour. Multiplying that by 370 GWhr/year gives us an annual value of the energy produced of about $22,000,000 dollars per year.
And at twenty-two mega-bucks per year, how long will it take to pay back the $3.9 billion dollar cost of the plant?
Er … um … breakeven time is a hundred and seventy-seven years … but only if there are zero maintenance costs … and if there is no interest on any borrowed funds … and if you don’t count avoided income available from investing the four giga-bucks elsewhere for a century … ooogh.
originally posted by: D8Tee
a reply to: Greven
Thermal uses mirrors to heat molten salt (those big towers that ignite birds), which can then be stored for use at night.
Contrary to the narrative being told via MSM, solar seems to have issues. I'm glad we have an abundance of fossil fuels to get us through until clean, inexhaustible fusion power is developed.
The plant cost $3.9 billion dollars US ($3.9E+9, much of it a gift from hard-pressed European taxpayers diverted by guilty CO2-obsessed European liberals), and it produces 370 gigawatt-hours per year (370E+9 watt-hrs).
Now, in the US a power plant typically sells its product for something like six cents US per kilowatt-hour. Multiplying that by 370 GWhr/year gives us an annual value of the energy produced of about $22,000,000 dollars per year.
And at twenty-two mega-bucks per year, how long will it take to pay back the $3.9 billion dollar cost of the plant?
Er … um … breakeven time is a hundred and seventy-seven years … but only if there are zero maintenance costs … and if there is no interest on any borrowed funds … and if you don’t count avoided income available from investing the four giga-bucks elsewhere for a century … ooogh.
wattsupwiththat.com...
Heck, just look at oil - we consume ~93 million barrels of oil per day, worldwide. Proven reserves of oil: 1,662,945 million barrels. Seems like a lot... some 17,881 days worth... except that's only 49 years at 2015 rates and reserves.
Also, nearly a third of those reserves are in Venezuela and Saudi Arabia (combined). Another third are in Canada, Iran, Iraq, and Kuwait (combined). Canada's is almost entirely in the oil sands of Alberta. These are big oil producing countries - what if one or more are fudging their numbers even a little?
Are you aware there are methods of estimating undiscovered resources? Estimates for undiscovered oil reserves in the USA are sitting at around 264 billion barrels as of right now.
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: D8Tee
Are you aware there are methods of estimating undiscovered resources? Estimates for undiscovered oil reserves in the USA are sitting at around 264 billion barrels as of right now.
And the faster we burn it the better.
www.thegatewaypundit.com... nia-history/
The owners of DC Solar, a Benicia-based company, pleaded guilty today to charges related to a billion dollar Ponzi scheme— the biggest criminal fraud scheme in the history of the Eastern District of California. The government’s investigation has resulted in the largest criminal forfeiture in the history of the District with over $120 million in assets forfeited that will go to victims, and has returned $500 million to the United States Treasury, with more to come, U.S. Attorney McGregor W. Scott announced.