Is it too late?

An idea has been swirling around my head for a while now and I finally decided to make a thread about it. My question is this: does Trump know that it's already too late to slow down the rapid Earth warming which is caused by Man? Could this be why he dismisses any Global Warming alerts by scientists and even wants to enact more drilling in order to boost oil capacity? Could Trump be looking at it as a kind of "we're screwed anyway so let's drill baby drill!" attitude...?

Carbon in the atmosphere has already passed the 400ppm threshold:
www.climatecentral.org...

This is a big deal. Extra Carbon will lead to serious problems to the World in the near future including: doom for low-lying small island states, more extreme heat waves, droughts, coastal flooding, and the extinction of many coral reefs. Trump says Climate change isn't real so some people would rather listen to him instead of real scientists.

In another conspiracy twist: what if the sudden push by scientists to find life elsewhere is indeed not a search to find life but a search to find another home planet.....? The focus does seem to be toward finding Earth-like planets.......interesting.......So, I ask, Is It Too Late? What says ATS?

a reply to: lostbook

If the science is settled, why are all the predictions wrong?

Finding another habitable planet, or two, is the only way humankind will survive, IMO.

a reply to: lostbook

some parts of the world are getting warmer, and others are becoming cooler. Are we responsible for the cooling as well?? Or is it possible that since the axis shifts a few degrees now and, the the climates for the physical regions in which those degrees shifted will now also shift accordingly??

originally posted by: Lolliek
Finding another habitable planet, or two, is the only way humankind will survive, IMO.

Well there isn't one in our Solar System, which means travelling further than anyone can imagine. In my opinion, it's never going to happen.

a reply to: lostbook

It's pretty bad that a president's ignorance is so inexplicable that we have to come up with conspiracy theories just to makes sense of it.

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: lostbook

some parts of the world are getting warmer, and others are becoming cooler. Are we responsible for the cooling as well?? Or is it possible that since the axis shifts a few degrees now and, the the climates for the physical regions in which those degrees shifted will now also shift accordingly??

Yes, some places are getting cooler but on average the Globe is warming.

Oh, environmentally, we're definitely in trouble and a bunch of it. Is it too late? I don't pretend to know. What I can say is that unless there's an extreme change in the consciousness of humanity, terraforming another planet is going to be no avail. We have not been good caretakers of that which was GIVEN FREELY to us. No reason to think we'd be any better on another planet at this juncture.

originally posted by: TheBulk
a reply to: lostbook

If the science is settled, why are all the predictions wrong?

The predictions for some of the timelines have been wrong, however, the science behind those predictions is right. I don't want to dismiss the science.

Oh good.

I was getting tired of waiting to see what happens.

originally posted by: Abysha
a reply to: lostbook

It's pretty bad that a president's ignorance is so inexplicable that we have to come up with conspiracy theories just to makes sense of it.

Sad but true. Trump is a businessman at heart and now a politician by status. He'll be good for the economy but bad for other things.

originally posted by: Abysha
a reply to: lostbook

It's pretty bad that a president's ignorance is so inexplicable that we have to come up with conspiracy theories just to makes sense of it.

Of course you are assuming YOU are correct which is where your argument is flawed.

It's not too hard to understand that our Planet is special.

Our atmosphere is not the same throughout our solarsystem.

Why would we want to mess with it then when it's so valuable to us?

Let's even forget if this is climate change and if it's manmade, let's look at the pure simple facts.

Our atmosphere is special,
If we pollute we are adding materials to the atmosphere and earth that were not there in that form.
Adding too much of anything to a compound will change it into something else
If we don't stop with our pollution, we will change the atmosphere to something other than it is today
If our atmosphere is special, odd of us changing our atmosphere from something special to even more special is slim
Much more likely we will change it into something less special and more harmful to us in one way or another.

SO why are we arguing about climate change again?

a reply to: lostbook

IMO, that is exactly what the situation is. Although I don't think Trump knows it. I think he's just your typical Capitalist that thinks all Climate Science is BS. Probably believes God is actually in control of our weather or some crap too.

But other than that I'd say you have it about right. I think we've passed some very critical stages that we can no longer reverse and the clock is ticking now and our only hope in the long term is to find some other place to go or figure out how to endure a very long and chaotic mass extinction here on earth.

But don't let it worry too much. Although it may be too late to fix it, in the grand scheme of things we weren't really that important anyway.

originally posted by: Metallicus

originally posted by: Abysha
a reply to: lostbook

It's pretty bad that a president's ignorance is so inexplicable that we have to come up with conspiracy theories just to makes sense of it.

Of course you are assuming YOU are correct which is where your argument is flawed.

If listening to the consensus of 97% of scientists is called "assumption", I'm guilty as charged.

But I don't call that assuming any more than I assume drinking water hydrates my body.

So when does the bad stuff start?

I've been waiting. Been pretty much same ol same ol here.

Maybe I've lucked out? In one of those sweet spots?

Nothing bad will happen. Planet is starving for carbon dioxide. This hoax is not different from planet-X doom and has been debunked everytime it popped up.
I'll let you with a nice vid from 2010. Relax!

a reply to: eriktheawful

I think it's already started but you have to realize it takes some time. It's not like you just wake up one morning and everything is dead. In fact even the most serious extinctions ever have always left some forms of life behind, even the ones that wiped out %90+ of life on earth. Other extinctions didn't wipe out nearly as much but are still quite significant when you look at them.

But we're talking about an entire planet so it's going to take some time. Although as it progresses it should get faster. The reason being that certain processes once they start cause conditions which make others start too. This increases and they all are feedback for each other and it gets faster and faster. This is based off looking back in time the best we can and finding patterns of when it's happened in the past. So it's only as accurate as our science of geology and stuff can predict that stuff too.

Here's a reasonable perspective I think that is rational and not too extreme but still serious.

CO2 is going to be sucked out of the atmosphere and put to use.

It can already be done. All that is really needed is a way to process mass quantities and enough supercritical CO-2 turbines. Then a good use of all he used CO-2 like making carbon nanotubes. CO-2 is going to be a commodity and everybody will be stepping on their grandmother's back to get their greedy little hands on it!

What is really needed is a method of scrubbing all the soot and other gasses out (sulfur dioxide and nitrogen dioxide). That is where acid rain starts which causes all kinds of problems which are worse than CO2.

The point of no return has not been reached. This is coming from a doom porn fan!