Open Letter to President Trump

a reply to: randomtangentsrme

Really?

a reply to: Xtrozero

As opposed to being angry with a system that you followed yet 12 years later....

The immigration process is broken, it needs to be tossed out and replaced. I don't trust the buffoons in charge now to do it though. Instead they'll botch this whole deportation thing up and cost us billions in taxes and we'll still have illegal immigrants.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Xtrozero

As opposed to being angry with a system that you followed yet 12 years later....

The immigration process is broken, it needs to be tossed out and replaced. I don't trust the buffoons in charge now to do it though. Instead they'll botch this whole deportation thing up and cost us billions in taxes and we'll still have illegal immigrants.

Start with starting over.

Send the illegal ones back home, and open up a new streamlined, easy process. Keep in consideration the insane numbers of people trying to immigrate and that no matter how easy and streamlined it is, it will not be a fast process. Make the penalties for immigrating illegally so intense it won't be worth trying.

Our country is already in a broken state, we don't have the resources to help others until our own issues are fixed.

a reply to: DBCowboy

No Vacancy

Seriously man, until the USA has a situation like we had 120 years ago, where there were far more jobs needing to be performed than there were Americans to perform them, until we have enough opportunity in America to tell the millions living off the tax payers' teats "No more, we are cutting you off" AND doing so with full knowledge that all those wretches will have to do to survive is take those opportunities, until we have an iron clad system in place to separate undesirables from those who may actually benefit us, the borders need to be sealed tighter than a drum and all here illegally must be sussed out and deported PERIOD.

a reply to: DBCowboy

No Vacancy

Seriously man, until the USA has a situation like we had 120 years ago, where there were far more jobs needing to be performed than there were Americans to perform them, until we have enough opportunity in America to tell the millions living off the tax payers' teats "No more, we are cutting you off" AND doing so with full knowledge that all those wretches will have to do to survive is take those opportunities, until we have an iron clad system in place to separate undesirables from those who may actually benefit us, the borders need to be sealed tighter than a drum and all here illegally must be sussed out and deported PERIOD.

I keep looking at Baja as perfectly situated to become a new 'Sanctuary' country.

Buy, lease or conquer Baja from Mexico and immediately populate it with 25 Million illegals from the U.S.

By many accounts the numbers of illegal has stabilized somewhat at somewhere around 11 million.

I have a question for those demanding deportation of all those.


How In The Hell Are You Going To Do It?

Please answer that rather important question. How are you going to physically remove the population of one and a third New York Cities from with in the borders of the United States? With out going door to door, declaring some form of police state...etc...

I'm sorry, it just ain't possible to do so. The cowboys suggestion, while needing a few tweeks, is a step in the right direction. The problem can not be solved by draconian measures. So make it work in our behest. Those young enough to do so can buy their citizenship via service. Be it military, or some form of civil service, such as infrastructure repair. At the end of a certain amount of time, viola they are now citizens--more importantly for many of them, so, too, are their parents and/or children. That offer can be made to those still waiting approval legally, too.

They want to live here legally? This is a way to do it. Put a deadline on it, say within two years of implementation of the plan, anyone who hasn't joined up, or gainfully employed by private employers will be immediately repatriated to their country of origin. This, couple with increased border security, would, I hope, help to alliviate the problem. They'd be paying their way, and well on their way to becoming tax-paying citizens.

This is certainly more fitting to what our nation sees itself as, then tossing 'em out for daring to want to improve their lives and fortunes...

a reply to: seagull

Start with extensive punishment laws for illegal immigration. No deportation, 20 years prison with no chance of parole for the first offense. Offer up relief for voluntary surrender, such as, you come to us, show us how productive you have been, and how you have been contributing to the US, and you are offered an opportunity to self-deport within a given amount of time and be relieved of the consequences. The level of contribution to society they have provided will also be considered as a factor for expedition once they apply properly.

They will have to go home for a bit, but if they truly wish to be an American, they will work to come back. Set up new immigration processes that will assist in this. It will be as expedited as can be, but obviously will not be fast due to the numbers of individuals involved. Amnesty programs simply are not fair to those that have been trying to do it the right way, so while bleeding heart liberals will cry over the woes of the poor people just trying to better themselves the wrong way, I'll weep for the individuals trying to do it the right way that also want the same but cannot because of the others that are doing it the wrong way.

There is no easy way, but harsh penalties are the best option.

Doctors don't get to be doctors because they read a medical pamphlet, that mindset should also apply for immigrants. Do it right or you don't get to do it at all.

a reply to: DBCowboy

There's always a sense of satire, if not outright humor in your posts.

Is this a big joke?!!?!?

a reply to: DBCowboy

You should drive through a neighborhood where a lot of construction is going on and take a peak inside the port-a-pottys. On those walls is where you'll find how the folks doing jobs that "Americans don't want to do" really feel about this country.

a reply to: Vector99

Start with extensive punishment laws for illegal immigration. No deportation, 20 years prison with no chance of parole for the first offense.

Are you insane or do you not have a clue about how much it costs to imprison someone?

It costs between 30 to 60 thousand dollars a year so if you lock up 11 million immigrants for 20 years it will cost us trillions of dollars.

$6,600,000,000,000 to $13,200,000,000,000

We can't afford it.

a reply to: Vector99

Um, 20 years is crazy talk. It'd be more humane to do it this way:

a reply to: Grimpachi

Do you really think illegal immigrants will stay if they know getting caught means 20 years in prison?

Sure maybe at the start, but once they see that it's real, no they won't. Living in Mexico is better than 20 years in prison.

Not to mention price per individual for incarceration is EXTREMELY inflated, otherwise budgets get cut.

It could easily be done for $10,000 per individual.

a reply to: Vector99

Do you really think immigrants will stay if they know getting caught means 20 years in prison?

They will stay because they know we don't have the funds nor the facilities to hold them. FYI prisons are already overcrowded unless you want to spend billions more to build them. Also in 4 years Trump would be gone and you could forget a stupid plan like that then.

Not to mention price per individual for incarceration is EXTREMELY inflated, otherwise budgets get cut.

It could easily be done for $10,000 per individual.

Wrong. That is what it costs NOW. If anything the cost will go up.

a reply to: Grimpachi

They will stay because they know we don't have the funds nor the facilities to hold them.

No they don't. Pure speculation

FYI prisons are already overcrowded unless you want to spend billions more to build them.

Overcrowded in no way means out of room. Even the states running over 100% capacity seem to make it work. So....

Also in 4 years Trump would be gone and you could forget a stupid plan like that then.

If he decides to not run again you are correct, otherwise odds are you are wrong and it will be 8 years.

Wrong. That is what it costs NOW. If anything the cost will go up.

Capitalism 101, as supply/demand rises, costs decrease, so you are likely wrong yugely here.


ETA**
I gotta ask, according to your numbers it would be an expense of around 6.5-7 trillion dollars over 20 years, while the last president racked us up an additional 10 trillion in just 8 and did literally NOTHING to curb the illegal immigration issue.

Where have your priorities been?

a reply to: Vector99

Who pays for these people, men, women and children, to be in prison for 20 years? That's a minimum of $40k per inmate per year.

Times millions.

That's $40 BILLION for just ONE million prisoners over 20 years.

No country can sustain thousands crossing it's borders everyday. Sorry. Limits have to be set. Maybe if Mexico would become something better than a 3rd world drug lord joke of a country we'd have a decent neighbor to the south for once.

a reply to: AboveBoard

Oh my the cost keeps rising by the response, well at least you are keeping it in the initial ridiculous range.

30K is realistic, as in the actual overpriced cost.

So $300 billion a year to house 10 million illegals.

That cost easily could be cut to 10k/per or $100 billion a year, which is a fairly accurate representation of the cost they actually cost the US annually.

Like I said, it's harsh, but you tell me straight up it wouldn't work. The US ALWAYS has money to make things work.

Hey Cowboy,

I like that you are thinking outside the box...erm...wall.

The idea of some walled-in police state with ICE on constant raids is chilling to me.

All those people sent to "detention centers" which are generally sub-standard jails, to rot for years before getting a hearing is bad too.

But you can't toss aside due process because we are a nation of laws - and if you toss it aside in immigration cases, it becomes a slippery slope towards "solving" more problems in such an "expedited" fashion. How many "mistakes" get made without due process, like we saw with the first EO.

On the other hand, I want people coming in to be known and vetted.

Anyway, s&f for being willing to look for unique solutions that protect all of us.

DB you can't do this. You can't break from the Master Plan. 'Build the Wall' was the centerpiece of the Trump emergence. It's what the people who voted for him want. A simple mono-dimensional solution to a complex problem with wide-ranging ramifications. Keeping it simple. If you question Trump you are now the enemy. You're either with Him or against Him. Haven't you learned anything? Anyone that questions his omniscient grasp on the universe is immediately cut-off, derided, shunned. And now you, DB. You've fallen from grace. Next, you'll be questioning the primacy of his 'historic electoral college win'.