Unless It Changes, Capitalism Will Starve Humanity By 2050

Yes, we should all be doing that actually...

If everyone in the world used a flushing toilet like we do in the west, there wouldn't be enough fresh water to facilitate that.

Why do we pay money for someone to take our sh!t away, for them to clean it and sell it BACK to us as fertiliser and purified water??

It's a very wasteful system and if we all learnt how to compost our own poop and grow our own food we would have much healthier soil, more fresh water to go around and a little bit of extra cash for good measure.

originally posted by: strongfp

originally posted by: Christosterone
Yep...communism does a great job sustainability wise...

Stalin and Mao killed around 100 million people...and that's just 2 people...

Go communism!!!
Saving earth one genocide at a time since 1917...

-Chris

Communism has been proven to not work, in theory it can work, but all it takes is one person to scream "them and us". Everyone needs to be on the same page for it to work. Capitalism is on the same path of destruction.

Good point now how do we change the situation?

originally posted by: soficrow
This from Forbes:

Unless It Changes, Capitalism Will Starve Humanity By 2050

Capitalism has generated massive wealth for some, but it’s devastated the planet and has failed to improve human well-being at scale.

• Species are going extinct at a rate 1,000 times faster than that of the natural rate over the previous 65 million years (see Center for Health and the Global Environment at Harvard Medical School).

• Since 2000, 6 million hectares of primary forest have been lost each year. That’s 14,826,322 acres, or just less than the entire state of West Virginia (see the 2010 assessment by the Food and Agricultural Organization of the UN).

• Even in the U.S., 15% of the population lives below the poverty line. For children under the age of 18, that number increases to 20% (see U.S. Census).

• The world’s population is expected to reach 10 billion by 2050 (see United Nations' projections).


Capitalism is unsustainable in its current form.

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Of course there are those who say it's humanity that's unsustainable, not capitalism.

What say you?

Please don't confuse capitalism with cronyism. One is based on a free market, the other is manitulated by governments. Cronyism is unsustainable. Capitalism has worked for thousands of years.

a reply to: soficrow

People have always starved.

Humanity has always suffered.

Thus how it has been, so will it be.

We can try to help people, but there will always be hungry folks, regardless of the economic system.

Freedom is still the greatest gift humanity has.

Lets not take it away.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: soficrow

People have always starved.

Humanity has always suffered.

Thus how it has been, so will it be.

We can try to help people, but there will always be hungry folks, regardless of the economic system.

Freedom is still the greatest gift humanity has.

Lets not take it away.

You address an issue, and accept it as 'a way of life, deal with it' type mentality.

I believe the mind set that those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.

Capitalism has done wonders for civilization, but it's gotten out of control. The issue IS capitalism, it's just a fancy word for GREED.

a reply to: soficrow

The idea of socialism and the compete government control by the bureaucrats in government is just stupid. Do you really think they have your best interests? I guess you haven't been paying attention.

a reply to: soficrow

What they call capitalism is not. Capital is what you invest in money making ideas in order to capitalize on an open market.

In this land of total monopoly of all capital, and closed markets, there are no opportunities left, no competition allowed, and too much bureaucratic regulation to begin to hope to compete.

Edit: Everyone is being slowly starved by a system of slavery to the mega corporations.

originally posted by: strongfp

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: soficrow

People have always starved.

Humanity has always suffered.

Thus how it has been, so will it be.

We can try to help people, but there will always be hungry folks, regardless of the economic system.

Freedom is still the greatest gift humanity has.

Lets not take it away.

You address an issue, and accept it as 'a way of life, deal with it' type mentality.

I believe the mind set that those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.

Capitalism has done wonders for civilization, but it's gotten out of control. The issue IS capitalism, it's just a fancy word for GREED.

I will accept any system as long as it doesn't remove any freedoms.

originally posted by: neo96

Capitalism has generated massive wealth for some, but it’s devastated the planet and has failed to improve human well-being at scale.

Why do people act like public ownership doesn't exist for companies ?

That is what stock purchases are.

Buy a share you become a part owner.

No you don't. You just literally hold a share until it's worth selling it. You have to buy a controlling stake to actually become owner of anything. If you're part owner -- how come you can't fire anyone or make any policy changes? Oh that's right, you don't OWN enough.....

smh.

Controlling stake or it's just an investment and you don't own jack.

dbl post.

a reply to: soficrow

Capitalism will commit suicide within the century. That's my take.

originally posted by: Christosterone
Yep...communism does a great job sustainability wise...

Stalin and Mao killed around 100 million people...and that's just 2 people...

Go communism!!!
Saving earth one genocide at a time since 1917...

-Chris

That is why we need to come up with a third option.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: strongfp

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: soficrow

People have always starved.

Humanity has always suffered.

Thus how it has been, so will it be.

We can try to help people, but there will always be hungry folks, regardless of the economic system.

Freedom is still the greatest gift humanity has.

Lets not take it away.

You address an issue, and accept it as 'a way of life, deal with it' type mentality.

I believe the mind set that those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.

Capitalism has done wonders for civilization, but it's gotten out of control. The issue IS capitalism, it's just a fancy word for GREED.

I will accept any system as long as it doesn't remove any freedoms.

Of course you say that. Tell that to the millions of people who's freedoms were taken away because of capitalism.

The Quinoa trade comes to mind.

originally posted by: strongfp

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: strongfp

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: soficrow

People have always starved.

Humanity has always suffered.

Thus how it has been, so will it be.

We can try to help people, but there will always be hungry folks, regardless of the economic system.

Freedom is still the greatest gift humanity has.

Lets not take it away.

You address an issue, and accept it as 'a way of life, deal with it' type mentality.

I believe the mind set that those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.

Capitalism has done wonders for civilization, but it's gotten out of control. The issue IS capitalism, it's just a fancy word for GREED.

I will accept any system as long as it doesn't remove any freedoms.

Of course you say that. Tell that to the millions of people who's freedoms were taken away because of capitalism.

The Quinoa trade comes to mind.

So this is your justification for taking away my freedoms.

Nope.

a reply to: soficrow

Meh. I don't think that they really give a crap; in fact, in the end, mass starvation will serve their agendas and egos better. There will still be enough people to do their dirty work and let them feel important when the dust settles.

Some of those that can feel which way the wind is blowing might be getting a bit snorty and twitchy about the oncoming storm, because A. It won't be pleasant to watch and B. Some of them who aren't important enough to be in on the joke might not make it through. Some kinda sorta VIP's (but not quite VIP enough) are starting to become alarmed. It won't matter in the end though.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: strongfp

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: strongfp

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: soficrow

People have always starved.

Humanity has always suffered.

Thus how it has been, so will it be.

We can try to help people, but there will always be hungry folks, regardless of the economic system.

Freedom is still the greatest gift humanity has.

Lets not take it away.

You address an issue, and accept it as 'a way of life, deal with it' type mentality.

I believe the mind set that those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.

Capitalism has done wonders for civilization, but it's gotten out of control. The issue IS capitalism, it's just a fancy word for GREED.

I will accept any system as long as it doesn't remove any freedoms.

Of course you say that. Tell that to the millions of people who's freedoms were taken away because of capitalism.

The Quinoa trade comes to mind.

So this is your justification for taking away my freedoms.

Nope.

I don't understand. Are you being pure selfish and could care less about other people or just not getting the point?

Elaborate for me.

a reply to: strongfp

Apparently you have an issue with this. . . .

"I will accept any system as long as it doesn't remove any freedoms. "

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: strongfp

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: soficrow

People have always starved.

Humanity has always suffered.

Thus how it has been, so will it be.

We can try to help people, but there will always be hungry folks, regardless of the economic system.

Freedom is still the greatest gift humanity has.

Lets not take it away.

You address an issue, and accept it as 'a way of life, deal with it' type mentality.

I believe the mind set that those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.

Capitalism has done wonders for civilization, but it's gotten out of control. The issue IS capitalism, it's just a fancy word for GREED.

I will accept any system as long as it doesn't remove any freedoms.

I apologize for jumping in on this one, but respectfully, isn't that the crux of the issue? The whole of civilization can be defined in part (or in some schools of thought, almost completely) by that inevitable conflict between civil liberties/"freedom" and order/control.

Too much control and the population is oppressed to the benefit of an inevitably self interested few; too little and the instability means that no one really prospers.

I don't know if a system that "...doesn't remove freedoms" is possible. Maybe I misunderstand your point, or I am (once again) not getting your joke.

a reply to: redhorse

Right now we live in a fairly free society.

I enjoy freedoms that we have.

Many economic systems tie into government types that do not acknowledge all the freedoms I currently enjoy.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: redhorse

Right now we live in a fairly free society.

I enjoy freedoms that we have.

Many economic systems tie into government types that do not acknowledge all the freedoms I currently enjoy.

You relish in the 'freedoms' you have grown up with and have gravitated towards.
Yet you seem to ignore the sacrifices others around the world have made for your freedoms ...