What happened when factory jobs moved from Warren, Ohio, to Juarez, Mexico

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

My intention was to NOT give you the impression that I am a blind follower of unionization.

There is evidence that in the mid 1970's early 1980's is when the productivity stopped being shared with the workers and started to go to other places.

I think that it is folly to expect a corp to do the right thing, and they need guidance.

a reply to: seasonal

Olaru12 .. not you

I agree, there needs to be checks and balances. Unfortunately the current model has devolved in many cases to an US vs THEM.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Digital high 5.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: olaru12

My suggestion for you blind union supporters is to ask whey it's illegal to form a works council without joining the union first.

I don't know anything about that. I'm not blind, I just want fair representation in the workplace. I don't trust the production houses to treat us fairly. They don't provide anything like insurance, workmans comp, or retirement plans. What do you suggest we do. I don't begrudge my Union dues because they benefit ME. Pretty simple actually.

Plus I get to hang out with Natalie Portman, Jeff Bridiges...wonderful people.

a reply to: seasonal

I think we share similar beliefs that a system is absolutely needed.

a reply to: olaru12

I suggest a new system that encourages cooperation. Something that looks at both sides and creates a fair environment for all parties. Like a third party arbitrator.

a reply to: olaru12

And I agree, there does need to be solid labor rep.

I do not trust the corps to do the right thing, hence the story of a dollar an hour slaves in Mexico.

I think very specific and targeted tariffs and firm immigration laws would do a lot of good.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

A now do we think Trump is gong to do it?

If not punt?

a reply to: seasonal

No chance in hell. Neither party will. Neither party can, unions would never allow it.

I think if anything trump would just to piss off the Unions, I can't see it being a priority for him though.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I think there will be a ton of blood shed, similar to the old Ford plants unionizing.

TPTB are not liking this thing we are doing right here, communicating.

a reply to: seasonal

That's why they need to keep us at war with each other.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: seasonal

Unions were absolutely necessary. Nowadays .. they are just as bad as the monster they were created to fight.

For example, Unions have passed laws preventing workers from joining any union like group (works council) unless they unionize and pay those sweet union dues first.

uh huh....so have you asked union members if they would be better off if they quit the union?....you would think that if those "dues" are hurting their earning power, they would have voted along time ago to disband, or vote to change the dues "amount"

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: olaru12



I think very specific and targeted tariffs and firm immigration laws would do a lot of good.

They would if we still operated from a supply and demand economic model, but we don't, and haven't for a long time.

www.theguardian.com...

a reply to: OccamsRazor04


Not only us, now we are supposed to pissed at the poor Mexican that humps all day for a $ an hour.?

a reply to: jimmyx

Boeing just voted 75-25 NO to the Union. Thanks for playing.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: seasonal

That's why they need to keep us at war with each other.

I'm not at war with you! I just see things differently.

a reply to: olaru12

I was referencing the all around hate towards each other seen in America right now.

a reply to: olaru12

What and why do you say that?

Is because there is no connection between price and scarcity?

if a Mexican can do the job for $1 an hour why did American workers need to be paid $30 an hour? obviously it isn`t a very complicated job that requires high intelligence, why didn`t the American workers work for $10 an hour?

some jobs deserve high pay but a job that a Mexican can do for a $1 an hour doesn`t deserve to pay $30 an hour.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Can I assume that pay and benefits are good?