What happened when factory jobs moved from Warren, Ohio, to Juarez, Mexico

a reply to: seasonal

Yes, and with fiscal sanctions used to make it too painful to continue their current practices.

a reply to: olaru12

I don't have the insight to know if we put a tariff on ford engines and trannies if that will lead to a tariff on out grain.

Remember when you hear that it will spark a trade war, the media you are listening to owns a majority share in the product that the tariff is going to be put on.

a reply to: seasonal

I wonder how far the robots will advance at the orders of our corporate masters? If the consumer doesn't have the funds, due there being no jobs available for humans, how do we buy their crap?

Are the elites planning on replacing the peasants with robots? Somehow I don't see that being as satisfying as subverting a person with feelings.

Are we going to get to a certain point where we will simply refuse robots in the work force? Maybe along the lines of not purchasing products made with robot labor and only supporting the businesses that advocate human labor.

Maybe having a job, or at least reaching self sustainability, will be viewed as a noble pursuit.

I quiver in fear if the answer of robotics is a 'guaranteed monthly income'. If we weren't full slaves before, we will be after that is implemented.

Greed will be our downfall once again.

originally posted by: seasonal
Lopez earns $1 an hour assembling cables and electronics that will eventually be installed into vehicles — the same work that Wade once did for $30 an hour. A farmer’s daughter who grew up in an impoverished stretch of rural Mexico, Lopez is proud to own a used Toyota sedan and a concrete block house.

This just teaches people a valuable lesson: Do not work for anyone, start your own business.

The expectation that the job will always be there, or that the government should do things to protect your job, is the whole of the problem.

Make your own job.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: olaru12

I don't have the insight to know if we put a tariff on ford engines and trannies if that will lead to a tariff on out grain.

Remember when you hear that it will spark a trade war, the media you are listening to owns a majority share in the product that the tariff is going to be put on.

One thing is certain; crying about everything on the www. will fix everything. #twitter much?

a reply to: ClovenSky

It will be an economy where people are given a wage, but do no work.

You got to the root of the problem. Globalization.

If we brought the manufacturing back to the states and made our country self sustainable again, other countries imposing tariffs on us wouldn't even matter.

originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: seasonal
Lopez earns $1 an hour assembling cables and electronics that will eventually be installed into vehicles — the same work that Wade once did for $30 an hour. A farmer’s daughter who grew up in an impoverished stretch of rural Mexico, Lopez is proud to own a used Toyota sedan and a concrete block house.

This just teaches people a valuable lesson: Do not work for anyone, start your own business.

The expectation that the job will always be there, or that the government should do things to protect your job, is the whole of the problem.

Make your own job.

Ah, that is a beautiful vision. A city/county/state being completely self sufficient. Growing/raising all of their own food and making everyday products again. Maybe barter systems would pop up. People would take pride in their products that they produce. Instead of cutting corners for the god of greed, people would produce good, durable and lasting products (fantasy land .. I know).

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: rickymouse

Agreed, Corps care only for the profits. Tariffs are the only big stick that will get their attention.

Do we want tariffs placed on US products? I don't; It will only encourage skyrocketing inflation. You want that?

Want to prosper in the 21st....speculate. It's a global free market economy; if you are unable to understand it or to lazy to learn...who's fault is that?

Large scale mfg. will never return. We need to concentrate on agriculture.

You don't understand, our government has to get it's money from somewhere to run all their programs. If it gets some from tarriffs, it is less it has to get from other taxes.

I am sixty one years old. I remember when most things you did at government offices were free and cheap. They reduced the income tax than raised the hidden taxes up. The police did not need to give out speeding tickets every time they pulled you over. The courts did not charge for every service and every copy of a file they printed out. Everything was included in our taxes, and lots of import taxes were in place.

The only thing our companies export is military equipment to other countries. We export lots of grains, but then again, many countries no longer want those grains because of the chemicals we use on them that are banned in their countries. A simple ten percent import tax would balance things out and make it so our companies can compete.

What do we export now, we have very few factories anymore. Common sense needs to be observed. Have you ever heard of this? www.theguardian.com... The strange part of this is that it raises the price of things way more than the difference in the wages of the individuals actually working should. Seems like even this has a lot of people getting rich off of it.

a reply to: ClovenSky

Maybe the "plan" is not to have the "eater" around?

originally posted by: ClovenSky
You got to the root of the problem. Globalization.

If we brought the manufacturing back to the states and made our country self sustainable again, other countries imposing tariffs on us wouldn't even matter.

I realize that Trump styled nationalism is very popular...but the infrastructure is gone. There is a reason the rust belt is the rust belt. How much will it cost to rebuild? Who's going to pay for it...the corps. Geat real...it will be the taxpayers.

We need to get creative and not try to regain the 50s. It's a brave new world....
Technology is our only hope. But we slacked off and Asia in on our ass. Even intel is leaving. Why import Indian engineers when you can just move the Mfg. to India and profit like a boss.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Another good and possible outcome.

I am at a loss on how much blood would be shed to have that "given wage". It would be a struggle.

a reply to: ClovenSky

Possible and it wasn't that long ago this was the case, mostly.

This can lead to other problems.

a reply to: olaru12

When someone is hemorrhaging blood what do you have to do first?

a reply to: olaru12

I wonder how we ever built up our manufacturing here in the states during the industrial revolution? Were the plants and factories already there and we just decided to move in and start utilization them? /off sarcasm

The corporations wouldn't. But people with motivation and drive certainly would step in to fill the void. I bet we would be surprised with how fast the American people would adapt and have these localized industries built to satisfy the needs of the people.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: ClovenSky

Maybe the "plan" is not to have the "eater" around?

I hear you. I take some comfort in the thought that having robot slaves wouldn't be nearly as ego satisfying to the elites as a real human slave.

I know one thing....

Government isn't going to solve the economic problem in the US with outdated solutions that didn't work then either.

Remember trickle down economics. That's what we're looking at with the new breed of swamp dwellers now in office.

a reply to: olaru12

Do you consider what Trump is proposing to be old hat?

a reply to: olaru12

How is telling corporations to stop making so much and keep jobs in America trickle down economics?

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: olaru12

Do you consider what Trump is proposing to be old hat?

If I'm correct in seeing Trumps economic model...yes!! Look at his cabinet, see anything besides self serving Corporate neocons? Do you honestly think they have the American working man's interest in mind.

I don't look forward to a corporate oligarchy, but imo that's our future. Glad I don't have any kids....