TRUMP Team: If cia / nsa leaked "photoshopped" info to the media? Even more criminal act!!!!

a reply to: andy06shake


I get what your saying but the point I made to my daughter is that although the lady is fat, to point this truth out would hurt her feelings.

In the same vein, the deep state point out this truth to precisely to damage there elected president, that shows a lack of decorum, and due to the nature of the deep state it shows how sinister they are.

Lets say it works, lets say that by revealing state secrets they brought down the government.

Would you be happy for Hillary to take their place?

a reply to: DJW001

what is it called when a group of anonymous, unelected deep state actors employ their statecraft in illegal ways to create the appearance of impropriety within the Admin in order to smear it and create the appearance of collusion with foreign powers?

what would that be called, sir?

a reply to: Wearedone

I think the fact that such dubious nefarious individuals as Trump or Clinton even being considered or put forward for the position of POTUS is part of the problem.

Whats the point in having to decide between the lesser of two evils?

As to the government in question, never mind the previous administrations, the old phrase springs to mind "let the heavens fall though justice be done".

Real justice through will never be had simply down to the fact that the very same people who make and enforce the law of the land are the same people responsible for most of the deception in the first place.

Lets just say that truth is rather more palatable than the alternative for those who are awake even if it does leave a nasty after taste in ones mouth.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Wearedone

I think the fact that such dubious nefarious individuals as Trump or Clinton even being considered or put forward for the position of POTUS is part of the problem.

There were 16 other Republicans running, many of them very qualified and talented, the People chose Trump. Hillary on the other hand was gifted her spot by the DNC.

a reply to: TruMcCarthy

Yes the people did choose Trump, yet apparently he did not win the popular vote. The electoral college process also playing its part.

Personally i don't think the man in question is up to the task but only time will tell i suppose.

Lets just say i don't think building nonsensical walls along your southern borders or banning people of the Muslim persuasion from numerous different nations entering into the US will solve the problems America experiences or make her great again.

The rich will get richer while the rest of the people get the short end of the stick. Essentially 1% of the population controlling 70% of the national wealth while the other 99% fight over the scarps that are the remaining 30% of national wealth.

But hey, best of luck with the next 4-8 years.

Should probobly add my own nation is no better.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: TruMcCarthy

Personally i don't think the man in question is up to the task but only time will tell i suppose.

I know he is up to the task, I'm just not sure if he is in it for the People, or for his rich friends. Obama is a community organizer, Trump is a worldwide business man. The Wall and banning Muslims from terrorist nations won't MAGA, but it won't hurt either, and it's not like that's all he has planned. If he is in it for the right reasons, he will do good things for the U.S., but as you said, only time will tell.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Well said Truebrit...

The truth has no agenda.

Kudos..

a reply to: purplemer

Of coarse the truth has an agenda, most of the time that agenda is benevolent but sometimes the truth can and is used for malicious means.

The saying; the truth hurts......well that pain can be weaponised.

originally posted by: Wearedone
a reply to: purplemer

Of coarse the truth has an agenda, most of the time that agenda is benevolent but sometimes the truth can and is used for malicious means.

The saying; the truth hurts......well that pain can be weaponised.

Lies has an agenda.. the truth is the truth if it hurts or not.

a reply to: purplemer

Yes the truth is the truth but you cannot tell me that 'the truth' cannot be used as a weapon for personal and political gain.

That process has nothing to do with lying.

originally posted by: Wearedone
a reply to: purplemer

Yes the truth is the truth but you cannot tell me that 'the truth' cannot be used as a weapon for personal and political gain.

That process has nothing to do with lying.

I am saying truth in itself is truth. It can cause hurt or not cause hurt. So it has the ability to cause political change yes..

Opposite of truth is lies. Lies by definition has an agenda.. Truth does not. Do you see the difference..

So our nuclear and military specialists should just go around telling the truth about our capabilities? Truth can be treason, nothing in the world is as simple and black and white as "truth is always good", no, sometimes it's not.

a reply to: TruMcCarthy

"I know he is up to the task, I'm just not sure if he is in it for the People, or for his rich friends."

See that's the crux of the problem really, personally i don't imagine he will be any different than any other politician meaning backhanders and lining there own pockets, and those of the rich, servicing there agendas, will indeed be the rule of the day.

Essentially through, and to coin another's phrase "The US have elected a billionaire that is appointing other billionaires to fix the system that made them billionaires". I don't see that working out to well for the average Joe on the street.

"Obama is a community organizer, Trump is a worldwide business man."

Yet a surprising amount of businesses Trump has owned or been involved with have indeed failed, declared bankruptcy, or otherwise went breasts up.

"The Wall and banning Muslims from terrorist nations won't MAGA, but it won't hurt either, and it's not like that's all he has planned."

Christ, whats next springs to mind???

Just look at the amount of executive orders he has signed to date, never mind the fact that he does not even seem to fully understand the implications of some of those orders and one has to wonder is this guy really the full shilling?

This wall notion simply wont do what it says on the tin, its impractical, it will cost an arm and a leg to construct and police and is generally an unimplementable solution.

"If he is in it for the right reasons, he will do good things for the U.S., but as you said, only time will tell."

That's true but the problem is Trump may take the US down a path that its rather hard to return from.

originally posted by: purplemer
Opposite of truth is lies. Lies by definition has an agenda.. Truth does not. Do you see the difference..

Ok, I see.

I don't mean to be condescending but the opposite of truth is not lies, lying etc. The opposite of truth is simply, untruth. That's where I'm getting muddled with your logic.

Yes, lying by its very nature has an agenda, without an agenda it, lying would simple be an untruth.

But the truth, or more so the practice of telling it, can and often does come with an agenda.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: TruMcCarthy

That's true but the problem is Trump may take the US down a path that its rather hard to return from.

We're $20 Trillion in debt and rising, we've already been taken down a path nearly impossible to return from. Trump was/is our last chance, certainly Hillary wasn't going to do anything to help save the country.

a reply to: TruMcCarthy

The system is broken, frankly it always has been.

I don't see Trump being any different from the rest. "They" are all cut from the same cloth really.

Same crap slightly different wrapping paper.

There agenda through will always service there banker/mass media and military industrial complex compadres aka the people who put them into power.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: TruMcCarthy

The system is broken, frankly it always has been.

I don't see Trump being any different from the rest. "They" are all cut from the same cloth really.

Same crap slightly different wrapping paper.

There agenda through will always service there banker/mass media and military industrial complex compadres aka the people who put them into power.

The thing is, Trump has taken incoming like no other, especially from the elites that you are talking about, on both sides of the aisle, which may point to the fact he isn't controlled by them. And for Trump, the only people who put him into power were the People, he spent FAR less money than everyone he ran against, he didn't have the money behind him, only the People.

There's no election after he gets impeached. There is a pecking order .
The next election is still 2020.

a reply to: TruMcCarthy

Trump said what a significant percentage of people wish to hear.

If trump spend far less money than the rest why wont the guy release his own Tax returns? What is there to hide? The guy is POTUS now wheres the dam transparency?

Correct me if im wrong, but the popular vote was never Trumps, so i have to question who indeed put Trump in to power?

The system/electoral college process decided in the end, that system being part of the problem and highly manipulable by powerful people.

Why did he not win the popular vote if indeed the people put him where he is?

a reply to: Wearedone

Russia has never shown that they want or deserve any relationship with the US.
You guys assume that Russia is a fair game player.
They are not. Putin has his rivals and opponents killed.