Shriners according to 'Rev' Ronald Hall

originally posted by: irenialilivenka

originally posted by: intrptr

Masonry does;t have anything to do with brick laying either, lol.

Tell them to dump the Islamic crescent moon and star from their symbology then.

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Why should they lose a symbol of they like it?

Why would it bug you so that you needed to comment and give a link?

Because organized religion is a false siren, used to confuse and control people with ritual and tradition. I always got something to say about that.

originally posted by: irenialilivenka

originally posted by: eisegesis

"Shriners are linked to Islam and Communism"

Are you claiming that Shriner regalia is not related to Islam and the Ottoman Empire?

I'm saying, not claiming, that Hall is a liar.

I don't have a problem with Shriners or Muslims.

Also, did I say anything of the sort?

No.

Let's try that again...

Hall is claiming that Shriners are linked to Islam and because you label him a liar, I assume you do not believe that Shriner regalia is related to Islam and the Ottoman Empire. Is that correct?

My question is directed towards you and what you believe the organization represents.

a reply to: irenialilivenka

Call the Shriners what you want, but I worked construction for a guy who was a Shriner, and it amazed me that they would pay for and transport children to the Shriners Hospital for medical treatment that they and their family could never afford otherwise at any other hospital!

originally posted by: irenialilivenka

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: irenialilivenka
a reply to: Annee

Well, I remember you from my Revelation of Peter thread, and admire your inquisitiveness.

Not sure what kind of questions I'd be asking in a thread like that.

I doubt inquisitiveness would be the right word.

You are the last person to have commented in said thread, do you let someone else use your account or something?

You can see for yourself. SECRET Revelation of Peter (Ethipoic vs Syriac) is its name, we conversed.

Not me

Anaana - - I be Annee.

a reply to: Annee

Yes, I already corrected and apologized for the error.

originally posted by: irenialilivenka
a reply to: Annee

Yes, I already corrected and apologized for the error.

No problem.

I might have commented, but knew I wouldn't be asking any questions about the Bible.

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: irenialilivenka

Call the Shriners what you want, but I worked construction for a guy who was a Shriner, and it amazed me that they would pay for and transport children to the Shriners Hospital for medical treatment that they and their family could never afford otherwise at any other hospital!

What gives you the impression I, who calls the man saying this nonsense a liar, am calling the Shriners anything but Shriners?

I don't get it.

I have literally said I have no problem with Islam or Shriners.

a reply to: eisegesis

Hall is claiming what I said he is.

Read the damn OP.

My belief is live and let live, I have no problems with Muslims or Shriners.

Like them, actually.

Shriners have about as much connection to Islam and the Ottoman Empire based on their costumes as children who dress up as Indians during Halloween have connections to Native Americans.

originally posted by: schuyler
Shriners have about as much connection to Islam and the Ottoman Empire based on their costumes as children who dress up as Indians during Halloween have connections to Native Americans.

Yes, Muslims would agree.

Turks too.

Although what about the Donmeh?

I don't know much about them.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: irenialilivenka

originally posted by: intrptr

Masonry does;t have anything to do with brick laying either, lol.

Tell them to dump the Islamic crescent moon and star from their symbology then.

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Why should they lose a symbol of they like it?

Why would it bug you so that you needed to comment and give a link?

Because organized religion is a false siren, used to confuse and control people with ritual and tradition. I always got something to say about that.

Your opinion should not be, never will be, imposed upon religion.

I'd get over it if I were you.

a reply to: irenialilivenka

I'd get over it if I were you.

I got over religion a long time ago.

Just another club. Mens clubs are the worst.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: irenialilivenka

I'd get over it if I were you.

I got over religion a long time ago.

Just another club. Mens clubs are the worst.

Yet you still complain.

Might want to revisit the notion that you are over it.

a reply to: irenialilivenka

It's always great to expose lies and propaganda to the Light of Truth.

The Crescent Moon and Star symbol is an innovation to Islam. Originally, Muhammad and his army raised plainly solid banners of either Green, Black, or White. These banners lacked any words, letters, symbols, patterns, or designs. The Crescent Moon and Star symbol became affiliated with Islam during the rise of the Turkish and Ottoman empires.

Allah is definitely NOT a lunar/moon deity. In the Qur'an, it is mentioned many times over that Allah created the Moon and Sun, therefore, Allah is not a planetary object.

Moreover, the word, "Allah", is etymologically linked to the Hebrew; "El", "Eli", "Eloah", "Elohai", "Elohim", and the Aramaic; "Elah", "Eloi".

originally posted by: irenialilivenka

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: irenialilivenka

I'd get over it if I were you.

I got over religion a long time ago.

Just another club. Mens clubs are the worst.

Yet you still complain.

Might want to revisit the notion that you are over it.

Exposing the truth isn't "complaining".

a reply to: intrptr

I am very spiritual/religous, yet not in a men's club so I don't think your opinion is worth considering even.

Women like religion too.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: irenialilivenka

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: irenialilivenka

I'd get over it if I were you.

I got over religion a long time ago.

Just another club. Mens clubs are the worst.

Yet you still complain.

Might want to revisit the notion that you are over it.

Exposing the truth isn't "complaining".

It is when it is only your opinion, not fact.

a reply to: Sahabi

Thanks.

I believe Nebo was the moon god, no?

Which makes me think of Bar Nebo/Barnabas.

Just a theory.

originally posted by: intrptr
Masonry doesn't have anything to do with brick laying either, lol.

Tell them to dump the Islamic crescent moon and star from their symbology then.

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Freemasonry does indeed have deep ties to Stonemasonry.

• The Old Charges, teachings, and mythology of medieval Stonemason Guilds holds many similarities and correlations to Accepted Freemasonry.

• Stonemason Guilds began to admit non-operation Accepted Masons into their fraternities. Therefore, early Freemasons participated in Stonemason rituals.

• Freemasonry utilizes Stonemasonry principles and symbols.

• Freemasons practice "brick laying" in the literal and ceremonial cornerstone laying of government and religious buildings.

originally posted by: irenialilivenka
a reply to: intrptr

I am very spiritual/religous, yet not in a men's club so I don't think your opinion is worth considering even.

Women like religion too.

Masonry, like Catholicism are exclusive mens clubs.