Trump voters believe a lot of insane crazy wrong dumb things

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: cantthinkofausername
Can't wait for his health policy, I am going to guess it will only benefit the insurance companies but his followers will continue to believe he has their best interests at heart..LOL

There will be no health policy. The Republicans in Congress can't come together to write one because they can't get around the fact that all the popular parts of the bill would have to be severely curtailed in order to do what they want. Then if they try to "fix" the bill it will destroy their credibility. I expect that they will slowly try to push this under the rug and hope the public forgets about it.

Do you actually understand why this is happening? It has nothing to do with the politicians per se, it has to with the lobbyists pushing their positions on them, and a ton of corrupt senators and congressmen willing to sell out their constituents for a buck.

That is the only explanation for why all politicians still seem to not actually be focusing on dropping costs - this is why the affordable care act actually caused significant price raises as well.

Our health care system has to be changed to be one of two things - fully socialist, or fully capitalist - meaning free and open competition on pricing which is definitely not what we have now. Either way we would be much better off, what we have now is some kind of corporate welfare health care system, that is screwing 90% of our population.

If Trump does not wise up we will end up with at best a slightly better health care system, simply focusing on insurance competition does next to nothing - we have to reduce actual medical costs, we must cut them nearly in half to be comparable with the rest of the developed world. Without those kind of changes we will go broke within 10 years guaranteed due to health care costs alone.

originally posted by: neo96
FYI Mother Jones is the lefts version of Breitbart.

really?...I just went there...then clicked "politics" up in the left hand corner, and viola....truthful articles in all of the top ten stories on the page....and rather tame

a reply to: proximo

I agree. I would love to have fully socialized health care. I don't think that fully capitalist healthcare can work in this country anymore. Before the ACA went into effect, health insurance prices were spiraling MUCH further out of control than after the ACA. Yes, prices went up, but not at nearly the same rate as they were previously. But at the same time, the ACA isn't perfect and has some definite flaws to it brought forth from lobbying. I don't particularly care for the forced buy in either.

Personally, if I had a choice though I'd opt to try to fix the ACA rather than get rid of it. There is too much uncertainty around doing that. I think the Republicans in Congress are finding that out now. They probably were just using the repeal Obamacare thing as a political football and never really had any intention of following through. Now they have to deliver and they are scrambling to lie to their base assuring them that a repeal is coming while they desperately try to put together a replacement or sweep this under the rug (which ever becomes politically easier to them, I'm guessing under the rug and try to blame Democrats for it somehow).

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Well, I would prefer the capitalist approach, but whichever way we go it has to happen real soon- because honestly if we don't our whole country is going to collapse and the system will end up changing anyway.

I don't really see it the same way as you, initially the republicans seemed gung ho to do the replacement, but now the lobbyists have attacked, and they are back tracking. What is shows me is the system is really a cancer, and only through serious extreme warfare can it be beaten.

What we need is for Trump to come out strongly to the people that this BS with the medical monopoly must end, otherwise our country is doomed. I really think it has to be him - because he is not influenced by the lobbyists unlike almost every other politician, and he needs to shame congress into doing the right thing.

Unfortunately, he just does not seem to get the significance of this issue - very few people do - because to me it is by far our biggest economic problem we face. Certainly it is a far bigger issue than bringing back manufacturing jobs that will just be taken over by automation in a decade or two which he seems to be obsessed with.

a reply to: proximo

If you get past the fact this is a blog post on Huffington Post, this article shows a good timeline of Republicans' actions concerning Obamacare since 2014. While it's been eventful, there hasn't really ever been any progress on the "replace" part of repeal.
The Continuing History Of The Republican Alternative To Obamacare

a reply to: Krazysh0t

There is no "fix" to ACA. The only way to "fix" healthcare in the US is to go to single payer for base coverage for all.

The Repubs won't go there because it would collapse the obscene profit model of the Health Insurance companies. Discussions about "fixing" anything health related are a complete waste of time.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Skywatcher2011

Talk about deflecting. You replied to a post that was a reply to my post directed towards you. And yet you still haven't answered my question (three times now.)

Oh I'm sorry...what was your question?

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: Krazysh0t

There is no "fix" to ACA. The only way to "fix" healthcare in the US is to go to single payer for base coverage for all.

The Repubs won't go there because it would collapse the obscene profit model of the Health Insurance companies. Discussions about "fixing" anything health related are a complete waste of time.

I'd be willing to at least hear out what their solution is, but currently they don't even have anything. They are just floundering and trying to keep their base from calling out their lack of direction. But as the Trump admin wears on, those excuses will run out.

a reply to: rickymouse

Considering Over 800,000 Undocumented Immigrants Got Driver’s Licenses In California Since 2015, it really begs the question how many were able to vote in the election.

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: Krazysh0t

There is no "fix" to ACA. The only way to "fix" healthcare in the US is to go to single payer for base coverage for all.

The Repubs won't go there because it would collapse the obscene profit model of the Health Insurance companies. Discussions about "fixing" anything health related are a complete waste of time.

I agree the ACA cannot be fixed. It is way, way more complicated than needed and it should be completely scrapped.

Actually the health insurance companies are a problem - but they are a small part of the problem.

A much bigger issue is actual costs. Hospital groups, Doctors, medical devices, Drug Companies, Medical malpractice, college costs for doctors - all of these are actually bigger issues.

a reply to: Skywatcher2011

For the fourth time (fifth?): You keep mentioning how the ACA didn't fix drug companies gouging the consumer. At the same time you have mentioned how the Republicans are going to fix healthcare. How do you think the Republicans are going to achieve this when all the solutions are antithetical to their philosophy?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: Krazysh0t

There is no "fix" to ACA. The only way to "fix" healthcare in the US is to go to single payer for base coverage for all.

The Repubs won't go there because it would collapse the obscene profit model of the Health Insurance companies. Discussions about "fixing" anything health related are a complete waste of time.

I'd be willing to at least hear out what their solution is, but currently they don't even have anything. They are just floundering and trying to keep their base from calling out their lack of direction. But as the Trump admin wears on, those excuses will run out.

Think about Obama Care as Mordor...it is ugly, evil, brutally expensive, and can kill you. Therefore the approach must be (to keep it simple for you)...

a reply to: Skywatcher2011

Well instead of posting silly and worthless memes how about pitching a replacement plan?

originally posted by: Xcalibur254

For the fourth time (fifth?): You keep mentioning how the ACA didn't fix drug companies gouging the consumer.

Read this article HERE which will answer this situation.
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At the same time you have mentioned how the Republicans are going to fix healthcare. How do you think the Republicans are going to achieve this when all the solutions are antithetical to their philosophy?

I am not a hired employee of the Republicans to work on this part of their health care reform plan.

Their solutions are not directly opposed. They are modifications of the existing plan. Repealing the plan may be too costly but Trump did say they will have made significant repairs to the plan before the year end.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Skywatcher2011

Well instead of posting silly and worthless memes how about pitching a replacement plan?

How about you answer my question relating to Obama Care not addressing the insane rises in pill prices?

a reply to: Skywatcher2011

Because I haven't decided to take you seriously yet when you keep posting 4chan memes and treating me like dirt. But at least you aren't yelling at me anymore (for the time being). So improvements I guess.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Skywatcher2011

Because I haven't decided to take you seriously yet when you keep posting 4chan memes and treating me like dirt. But at least you aren't yelling at me anymore (for the time being). So improvements I guess.

I am treating with the respect you deserve Krazyshot.

originally posted by: cantthinkofausername

Only 14% of Trump Voters Want to Invade Mexico

Wow I knew some weren't bright since they voted this guy in. I mean this is the guy who promised to drain the swamp but has only filled it with more despicable people such as his friends. His policies are beginning to prove one thing, he doesn't care about the little guy but cares about his friends making more money off the environment and screwing the regular joes.

Can't wait for his health policy, I am going to guess it will only benefit the insurance companies but his followers will continue to believe he has their best interests at heart..LOL

Yeah yeah...I know mother jones fake news..yada yada yada

In the spirit of equality, there should be a history month for every race, including Caucasians. Trump is probably more credible than the NY Times, that's not a statement that Trump is credible, it's a statement to how non-credible the new york times is. There were mad illegal votes, and I'm sure they tally close to a milly.

And that about does it. Be that as it may, or -- regardless as they say, it doesn't matter who you were, if people voted for you -- there is definitely going to be a lot of morons and misconceptions about your platform.

originally posted by: Skywatcher2011

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Skywatcher2011

Because I haven't decided to take you seriously yet when you keep posting 4chan memes and treating me like dirt. But at least you aren't yelling at me anymore (for the time being). So improvements I guess.

I am treating with the respect you deserve Krazyshot.

It's statements like this that mean I will continue to not take you seriously. You just come off to me like a 14 year old who just discovered the internet and 4chan.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Skywatcher2011

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Skywatcher2011

Because I haven't decided to take you seriously yet when you keep posting 4chan memes and treating me like dirt. But at least you aren't yelling at me anymore (for the time being). So improvements I guess.

I am treating with the respect you deserve Krazyshot.

It's statements like this that mean I will continue to not take you seriously. You just come off to me like a 14 year old who just discovered the internet and 4chan.

How is Bernie doing these days? Last I heard he was cut off CNN fake news for calling CNN fake news