Make Truth Great Again! 20 Alt-Facts From The First 20 Days

originally posted by: Informer1958
a reply to: hellobruce

He is unable to even keep a very simple promise.... like releasing his tax returns!

Seriously, is that so important to you? No one really cares.

Trumpets still whining.... using "alternative facts" again!
So you do not think it important that Trump keeps his promises....

petitions.whitehouse.gov... e

a reply to: Informer1958

No one really cares.

False.

A Fox News poll released Sept. 7 showed that 60 percent of voters, including 36 percent of Republicans and 83 percent of Democrats, thought Trump was hiding something in his tax returns.

www.politifact.com...

a reply to: Phage

So what?

So you found a little dirt, you want a hanky?

People are more concern about bringing jobs back.

People want better healthcare.

People want our borders protected.

People want our veterans taking care of.

People want our economy to grow, not stagnation.

People are sick of the politically correctness.

People want new tax reforms.

I could go on...

Hillary was not going to give We The People any of these things.

a reply to: Informer1958

Poor suffering trumpsters
I had just a moment ago, before I logged on here, seen this ^ and then I saw Phage's answer to you.

Read this "Informer1958". I was born in that year myself, you see. So - read this:

A Trump supporting Facebook friend told Scott Mednick, "We suffered for eight years. Now it’s your turn.”

Right? Perhaps you can help us understand what the problem was.....we are making an effort to do just that.

Scott wrote a brilliant response asking how exactly his friend had suffered under Obama:

"I am surprised you would wish suffering upon me. That of course is your right, I suppose. I do not wish harm on anyone. Your statement seems to continue the ‘US v THEM’ mentality. The election is over. It is important to get past campaigning and campaign rhetoric and get down to what is uniting, not dividing and what is best for ALL Americans.


So let us recall that ALL of America was suffering terribly at the beginning of Obama’s Presidency.

Yes. We were all suffering.

Since much of the rhetoric before Obama was elected was that he would impose Sharia Law, Take Away Your Guns, Create Death Panels, Destroy the Economy, Impose Socialism and, since you will agree that NONE of this came to pass,
I was wondering:

Why have you suffered so?

Informer1958, please share...are these any of the reasons? :

Gays and Lesbians can now marry and enjoy the benefits they had been deprived of. Has this caused your suffering?

When Obama took office, the Dow was 6,626. Now it is 19,875. Has this caused your suffering?

We had 82 straight months of private sector job growth - the longest streak in the history of the United States. Has this caused your suffering?

Especially considering where the economy was when he took over, an amazing 11.3 million new jobs were created under President Obama (far more than President Bush). Has this caused your suffering?

Obama has taken Unemployment from 10% down to 4.7%. Has this caused your suffering?

Homelessness among US Veterans has dropped by half. Has this caused your suffering?

Obama shut down the US secret overseas prisons. Has this caused your suffering?

President Obama has created a policy for the families of fallen soldiers to have their travel paid for to be there when remains are flown home. Has this caused your suffering?

Any of those? I'd like to know.

If not, here are some more issues that may have been damaging to you -- maybe?:

We landed a rover on Mars. Has this caused your suffering?

He passed the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Prevention Act. Has this caused your suffering?

Uninsured adults has decreased to below 10%: 90% of adults are insured - an increase of 20 Million Adults. Has this caused
your suffering?

People are now covered for pre-existing conditions. Has this caused your suffering?

Insurance Premiums increased an average of $4,677 from 2002-2008, an increase of 58% under Bush. The growth of these insurance premiums has gone up $4,145 – a slower rate of increase. Has this caused your suffering?

Obama added Billions of dollars to mental health care for our Veterans. Has this caused your suffering?

Consumer confidence has gone from 37.7 to 98.1 during Obama’s tenure. Has this caused your suffering?

He passed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. Has this caused your suffering?

His bi-annual Nuclear Summit convinced 16 countries to give up and destroy all their loose nuclear material so it could not be stolen. Has this caused your suffering?

He saved the US Auto industry. American cars sold at the beginning of his term were 10.4M and upon his exit 17.5M. Has this caused your suffering?

The deficit as a percentage of the GDP has gone from 9.8% to 3.2%. Has this caused your suffering?

The deficit itself was cut by $800 Billion Dollars. Has this caused your suffering?

Obama preserved the middle class tax cuts. Has this caused your suffering?

So....any of those? sigh..if not there are more things that might have somehow injured or maimed you, so please, do keep reading. I'm trying to understand, really. So, here we go:

Obama banned solitary confinement for juveniles in federal prisons. Has this caused your suffering?

He signed Credit Card reform so that rates could not be raised without you being notified. Has this caused your suffering?

He outlawed Government contractors from discriminating against LGBT persons. Has this caused your suffering?

He doubled Pell Grants. Has this caused your suffering?

Abortion is down. Has this caused your suffering?

Violent crime is down. Has this caused your suffering?

He overturned the scientific ban on stem cell research. Has this caused your suffering?

He protected Net Neutrality. Has this caused your suffering?

Obamacare has extended the life of the Medicare insurance trust fund (will be solvent until 2030). Has this caused your suffering?

President Obama repealed Don't Ask Don't Tell. Has this caused your suffering?

He banned torture. Has this caused your suffering?

Anything? Yet? Because if not, there are still more:

He negotiated with Syria to give up its chemical weapons and they were destroyed. Has this caused your suffering?

Solar and Wind Power are at an all time high. Has this caused your suffering?

High School Graduation rates hit 83% - an all time high. Has this caused your suffering?

Corporate profits are up by 144%. Has this caused your suffering?

He normalized relations with Cuba. Has this caused your suffering?

Reliance on foreign oil is at a 40 year low. Has this caused your suffering?

US Exports are up 28%. Has this caused your suffering?

He appointed the most diverse cabinet ever. Has this caused your suffering?

He reduced the number of troops in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Has this caused your suffering?

Yes, he killed Osama Bin Laden and retrieved all the documents in his possession for analysis. Perhaps THIS caused your suffering?
......

Anything on this list you can point to, Informer1958?

"I look forward to understanding what caused you to suffer so much under Obama these last eight years."

And I look forward to understanding what YOUR problem is. Please.

a reply to: Informer1958

So you found a little dirt, you want a hanky?

Correction. I put the lie to your claim.

No one really cares.

I have no need of a hanky, thanks anyway.

originally posted by: RickinVa
100 days.

He has 79 days left, although I doubt it will take that long.


Welcome to Penceland.

I think that's why he's trying to get everything done so quickly. He knows his days are numbered.

originally posted by: angeldoll

originally posted by: RickinVa
100 days.

He has 79 days left, although I doubt it will take that long.


Welcome to Penceland.

I think that's why he's trying to get everything done so quickly. He knows his days are numbered.

Or rather, Bannon is trying to push everything through immediately. I don't think Trump ever had a real grasp of what this job was about.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Thank you for your response.

And I look forward to understanding what YOUR problem is. Please.

I see how eloquently you have defending Obama. However most american will not support the fact that Obama was a good President.

If they had Hillary would have won the election, wouldn't you agree.

Most americans were not happy with the path America was on and wanted to see some real changes.

Me personally, nothing Obama has done has affected me personally.

I support Trump because I am concern of terrorist coming in our "unprotected borders", seeing that many have come to our home land to commit crimes against the people and many were deported repeatedly.

I am concern as an American citizen of foreign terrorist coming in our country to be martyrs for their sick political and ideology, religious purposes, that has been well demonstrated all over the world.

Yeah, Obama created some jobs, but let's not discuss the fact that Obama allowed millions of foreign workers to come in our country on work visas, and take those jobs from American citizen, because greedy corporations want slave wages and have lobbied our bought and paid for Congress for these laws that only benefitted them.

The wonderful Obama Care you speak of: You mean the one where premiums have gone up each year, the Obama Care where you can keep your doctor.

The Obama Care that past laws to punish those that cannot afford this outrages healthcare plan that only benefitted the insurance companies, I have a partner who cannot afford Obama care ,the premiums are to high and so is the health care plans.

Sorry the poor guy didn't have the opportunity to go to college and earn a degree for a white collar jobs so he could afford Obama Care.

You can cherry pick all the data you like in making Obama look like a great President, however putting lipstick on a pig doesnt make it pretty now, doesn't it.

NPR AND HARVARD SAY: OBAMACARE IS A COMPLETE FAILURE

Remember how we were all supposed to save $2,500 a year in health insurance premiums? Only 4% say they have saved anything, and those respondents are probably wrong. For the vast majority, Obamacare has either done nothing, or has increased the cost of healthcare, counting premiums, deductibles and co-pays. Good going, Barry!

The federal government has had its share of failures over the years, but it is hard to think of a federal program that has proved such a comprehensive disaster, in such a short period of time, as the Affordable Care Act. Which, by the way, still hasn’t been fully implemented, as the Democrats have postponed some of its more baleful effects until 2017. So the number of people who are hurt by Obamacare, e.g. by losing the employer-based coverage with which they were content, is destined to rise.

www.powerlineblog.com...

'60 Minutes' Just Called Obamacare A Disaster. Here's What They Didn't Tell You.

www.forbes.com...

Yes lets talk about how great Obama was on our economy.

Barack Obama Will Be The Only President In History To Never Have A Year Of 3% GDP Growth

We just got another extremely disappointing GDP number. It was being projected that U.S. GDP would grow by 2.5 percent during the second quarter of 2016, but instead it only grew by just 1.2 percent. In addition, the Census Bureau announced that GDP growth for the first quarter of 2016 had been revised down from 1.1 percent to 0.8 percent. What this means is that the U.S. economy is just barely hanging on by its fingernails from falling into a recession. As Zero Hedge has pointed out, the “average annual growth rate during the current business cycle remains the weakest of any expansion since at least 1949″. This is not what a recovery looks like.

In addition, Barack Obama remains solidly on track to be the only president in all of U.S. history to never have a single year when the economy grew by at least 3 percent. Every other president in American history, even the really bad ones, had at least one year when U.S. GDP grew by at least 3 percent. But this has not happened under Obama even though he has had two terms in the White House.

www.zerohedge.com...

Like I said, you can cherry pick data and put lipstick on it.

a reply to: Informer1958

Ok. Obama was a dick.

What does that have to do with the topic?

a reply to: Phage

What does that have to do with the topic?

My post was not to you.

I was responding to questions from another poster, or is that not allowed anylonger?

a reply to: Informer1958

However most american will not support the fact that Obama was a good President.

No, most americans think he was. He has an approval rating of over 50%.

If they had Hillary would have won the election, wouldn't you agree.

No. I don't agree. Sanders would have won. Hillary and the DNC shoved him aside.

And MOST Americans feel that Trump is a disaster, anyway. Sorry, but those are the actual facts.

More Americans voted for Hillary Clinton than any other losing presidential candidate in US history.

The Democrat outpaced President-elect Donald Trump by almost 2.9 million votes, with 65,844,954 (48.2%) to his 62,979,879 (46.1%), according to revised and certified final election results from all 50 states and the District of Columbia.

Clinton's 2.1% margin ranks third among defeated candidates, according to statistics from US Elections Atlas.

Andrew Jackson won by more than 10% in 1824 but was denied the presidency, which went to John Quincy Adams. In 1876, Samuel Tilden received 3% more votes than Rutherford B. Hayes, who eventually triumphed by one electoral vote.

a reply to: Informer1958

Is it no longer allowed for anyone to respond to any particular post?

LOL, if those are the 20 worst "Alt-Facts" that you can come up with about Trump, then it seems to me we are in good hands. Most of those statements are totally insignificant, and when Trump was wrong, it was by 1 day here or 1 tiny error there, as I think most of us humans are guilty of as well. Trump isn't a scripted liar like most of our politicians, he speaks what's on his mind, sometimes the exact details might be a little off (oh wow he said he was on Time 14 times but it was only 11, how horrible!), but it's far better than the rehearsed con-jobs the rest of our "leaders" spew.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Informer1958

Ok. Obama was a dick.

What does that have to do with the topic?

Apparently trying to deflect from Trump being a bigger dick....

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
Trump isn't a scripted liar like most of our politicians,

So he is just a unscripted liar....

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

No. I don't agree. Sanders would have won. Hillary and the DNC shoved him aside.

Sounds like conspiracy theory to me.

And MOST Americans feel that Trump is a disaster, anyway. Sorry, but those are the actual facts.

That is a matter of "opinions", if that was the true case, Trump would have not won the election.

Sorry, but I have to kindly disagree.

ATS is slowly dying. 92 flags for this #. Really?

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

Not quite as black and white as all that.

Obviously.. But many Democrats have pulled that one, even though as you say it is "black and white."

I'm a liberal, but there idiocies and logical problems on the left too, specifically with identity politics.

originally posted by: Informer1958
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

No. I don't agree. Sanders would have won. Hillary and the DNC shoved him aside.

Sounds like conspiracy theory to me.

And MOST Americans feel that Trump is a disaster, anyway. Sorry, but those are the actual facts.

That is a matter of "opinions", if that was the true case, Trump would have not won the election.

Sorry, but I have to kindly disagree.

You can disagree all you like, kindly or not. It won't change the facts. How about I have to kindly insist on seeing your sources for these claims? You ready?

Since you didn't respond to the lengthy list of things that might have made you suffer under Obama, I am obliged to believe you didn't read it. Which smacks of sharp practice (alternative fact spreading).......

So --- kindly take the items in my post delineating the things that happened while Obama was POTUS one by one and answer how you have suffered for them.

When you take the time to do that, I will listen. UNTIL you do that, I will not.

See how that works?

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

You can disagree all you like, kindly or not. It won't change the facts. How about I have to kindly insist on seeing your sources for these claims? You ready?

I gave you sources to back my claims. I am not going down your list, it's irrelevant to me.

Since you didn't respond to the lengthy list of things that might have made you suffer under Obama, I am obliged to believe you didn't read it. Which smacks of sharp practice (alternative fact spreading).......

On the contrary, I did read your silly list and pick out two important topic from your list and I refuted it with sources.

And seeing you have not responded to my answers from the two topic that I posted and you are demonstrating that you are ignoring it.

So --- kindly take the items in my post delineating the things that happened while Obama was POTUS one by one and answer how you have suffered for them.

When you take the time to do that, I will listen. UNTIL you do that, I will not.

Suffered?

LOL, you assume I am suffering? I do not suffer from anything, you are not a Psychiatrist and you have no business diagnosing ATS members to who you think are mentally ill.

See how that works.

The fact is, you're not interested in facts, you're looking for a fight, with members who do not support your ideology.

I came in here to share my "opinions" on the given topic, you do not have to like my "opinions" and you do not have to listen to me either.

I do not agree with some of your "opinions" and made it clear that "I kindly disagree", that was it. Take a chill pill, or time out.