Make Truth Great Again! 20 Alt-Facts From The First 20 Days

originally posted by: TheBulk

originally posted by: ugmold

originally posted by: TheBulk
16 Fake News Stories Reporters Have Run Since Trump Won

How can anyone take the media seriously? Especially after their newfound love for hard hitting journalism after 8 years of being lap dogs. You yourself never did these threads on the lies coming from the Obama administration. Why are you suddenly so concerned with the truth? (you dont really need to answer because it's obvious)

I think one big difference I never saw folks defending Obama like Trump Supporters do.

Then you are living in an alternate reality. The entire mass media never went after Obama, they went after his critics.

They sure never called out him on blaming Benghazi over a video.

Hell then never called him out on anything.

a reply to: theantediluvian

You are right.....he uses "facts" that are misremembered, made up, or conjured from the netherworld.

But the lies he has not told: his campaign committments. What he said he'd do, he is doing. He may fail at his daily bout of Trivial Pursuit with the liberal media. But when he commits to doing something, he seems to actually do it. Without wasting time. That is unprecedented in his office.

So while the fact checkers may find all manner of made up baloney in his (or his staffs) statements, the one fact that seems to check out is: Trump is keeping campaign promises.

Side note: in a world lacking Smith Mundt, can the president make up whatever he wants in an effort to spread state propaganda?

a reply to: o0oTOPCATo0o

I am able to readily list those because they were BIG lies.

Really? You think the President lying about having sexual relations with an intern is a bigger lie than the President lying about 3-5 MILLION illegal voters?

Is Clinton lying about "sniper fire" when she landed in Bosnia really a bigger lie than the President of the United States lying about Americans being shot to death in an American city? Neither happened.

Their lies seem bigger to you because they stand out in contrast unlike with Trump where bigger lies are just the tallest trees in a whole forest of lies. That's without even getting into the very deep desire to overlook Trump's transgressions.

All of his lies aren't whoppers but maybe that's the whole point? Lie constantly so the bigger lies seem smaller?

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
Side note: in a world lacking Smith Mundt, can the president make up whatever he wants in an effort to spread state propaganda?

The war on terror is over.

Climate change is the greatest threat we face today.

So the answer is YES THEY CAN.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

You mean all those emperor-like EOs he's signed? Trump "has a pen and a phone?"

Seriously though, what has he *actually* done thus far?

Withdrew from TPP negotiations which Clintons and Sanders also promised to do. That took 0 effort as opposed to be negotiating all the bilateral trade agreements he's promised to form will.

Reinstated the Mexico City Policy. Again, 0 effort required and not all popular with at least half the country. Was it even a noteworthy campaign promise? What else?

Nominated a replacement for Scalia. Again, big deal. Obama had already nominated a replacement and that spot should have been filled before he was even elected. How long did the obstructionists from the GOP refuse to even give Merrick Garland confirmation hearings?

What else? Oh, he tried to impose a ban that we didn't need. That's the infamous "Hegelian Dialectic" or "Problem – Reaction – Solution." Praiseworthy?

What else? Everything else just seems to be lip service thus far. He can neither repeal nor replace Obamacare and from all sounds, what's actually going to happen is the formerly obstructionist Republicans in Congress are going to fix Obamacare and slap a new label on it. Something they should have done already. The Democrats are going to try to be obstructionists and fail because they don't have the numbers and of course, it's likely to backfire on them. FTR, an "EO" instructing officials to "ease the burden" isn't actually doing anything.

"The Wall?" Mexico ain't paying for it. There's no money he's going to find in the cough cushions to build it — so that means Congress is going to have to do it. Just like Congres is going to have to provide funding to expand ICE and BP (something that was done under Obama too).

Maybe I'm missing something? In terms of major campaign promises, what has Trump actually accomplished?

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: o0oTOPCATo0o

I am able to readily list those because they were BIG lies.

Really? You think the President lying about having sexual relations with an intern is a bigger lie than the President lying about 3-5 MILLION illegal voters?

Is Clinton lying about "sniper fire" when she landed in Bosnia really a bigger lie than the President of the United States lying about Americans being shot to death in an American city? Neither happened.

Their lies seem bigger to you because they stand out in contrast unlike with Trump where bigger lies are just the tallest trees in a whole forest of lies. That's without even getting into the very deep desire to overlook Trump's transgressions.

All of his lies aren't whoppers but maybe that's the whole point? Lie constantly so the bigger lies seem smaller?

I like how you capitalized "MILLION" to try and emphasize the YUUGE number like that makes it such a BIG lie.. At the end of the day it's not a lie and it's not the truth. Just because he hasn't proven it yet doesn't mean it's not true. It could very well be either or. But the sexual relationship with the intern on the other hand..

You seem to be ignoring a question I see brought up a few times in this thread.

Why are you all of a sudden so concerned for the truth now?

a reply to: theantediluvian

Thank you for compiling the list for me. I could throw in a couple minor things.

And thank you for pointing out how little effort it took. Because you are right....making some change actually is easy. You hust have to decide to do it, then take action. It is something that prior POTUS were incapable of, especially in their first 100 days.

You may not value what he has done. But the facts are: he did something which is shockingly rare. And that something he did happens to dovetail with what he promised to do. Of course you disagree with it, or want to diminish the value of it. You don't actually view yourself as impartial, do you?

3. Inventing alt-facts in a tweet:

Watched protests yesterday but was under the impression that we just had an election! Why didn't these people vote? Celebs hurt cause badly.

What's wrong with this tweet? It's not unreasonoble to speculate that celebrities hurt "the cause" (it's a tremendous cause like the world has never seen before), President Trump has absolutely no idea what percentage of the protesters voted. Baseless, insulting and completely made up.

That's not an alt fact, it's an opinion. Also, is agree more with his opinion than yours.

The celebrity "vote" video went viral this year and people I didn't even know had political opinions, people I've never seen get political, were ripping on it.

Based on my personal experience, the people I know are getting really toured of being told what to do by a bunch of art majors. I think they'd all agree with Trump on this one, even though many didn't support him.

3. Inventing alt-facts in a tweet:

Watched protests yesterday but was under the impression that we just had an election! Why didn't these people vote? Celebs hurt cause badly.

What's wrong with this tweet? It's not unreasonoble to speculate that celebrities hurt "the cause" (it's a tremendous cause like the world has never seen before), President Trump has absolutely no idea what percentage of the protesters voted. Baseless, insulting and completely made up.

That's not an alt fact, it's an opinion. Also, I'd agree more with his opinion than yours.

The celebrity "vote" video went viral this year and people I didn't even know had political opinions, people I've never seen get political, were ripping on it.

Based on my personal experience, the people I know are getting really tired of being told what to do by a bunch of art majors. I think they'd all agree with Trump on this one, even though many didn't support him.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
What he said he'd do, he is doing.

So where are his tax returns? Oh, that was just yet another Trump lie!

a reply to: swedy13

That is what a coworker says. "I can get all sorts of opinions from thinkers, philosophers, physicists, polisci majors...why would I care what someone with a major in theater has to say?"

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
But the facts are: he did something which is shockingly rare.

When that "something" is to lie constantly....

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
What he said he'd do, he is doing.

So where are his tax returns? Oh, that was just yet another Trump lie!

I, personally, do not believe anyone should need to show their tax returns. Its not in the constitution. its just people being nosy.

I lack the gene it takes to want to be a voyeur. So im unconcerned with anyones tax records, health records, drug test results, favorite undewear, or marriage stability. It ain't my business.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

I see you didn't mention birth certificates.

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
What he said he'd do, he is doing.

So where are his tax returns? Oh, that was just yet another Trump lie!

How has his tax returns effected you and your loved ones so far?

How will his tax returns effect you and your loved ones?

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

I like how you capitalized "MILLION" to try and emphasize the YUUGE number like that makes it such a BIG lie..

You don't find the idea of 3-5 MILLION votes to be alarming? The populations of Wyoming, Vermont, North Dakota and Alaska combined don't add up to 3 million. To get to 5 million, you'd have to add those from South Dakota, Delaware and half of Montana.

At the end of the day it's not a lie and it's not the truth. Just because he hasn't proven it yet doesn't mean it's not true.

I can't prove that you're not a really smart chicken who can post on the Internet, typing with your beak. You can't prove that Donald Trump isn't a reptilian. Neither of us can prove that unicorns don't inhabit the interior of the Sun.

Which of those do you want to argue should treated like facts?

You seem to be ignoring a question I see brought up a few times in this thread. Why are you all of a sudden so concerned for the truth now?

I wasn't ignoring the question, I'm one person posting between work emails. I prioritize my responses and I don't know you. Speaking of which, you don't know me either nor do you know how acute the onset of my concern with "the truth" was. Are you arguing that Obama lied with the frequency of Donald Trump?

And when did this become a thing? Only people who were equally critical of Obama can be critical of Trump? It doens't even make sense. Are all people equally deserving of criticism? Do Trump supporters have to demonstrate how they praised Obama in order for their praise of Trump to be justified?

a reply to: theantediluvian

Yes and yes.
Also, If there are an estimated 3 million illegal immigrants in CA and estimates ranging from 12 to 20 million in the US, it's not a huge stretch to believe 3 to 5 million voted in the past election. Not saying they did or didn't, but it is a believable number to me.
AND
When there are an average of two murders a day in Chicago, it is reasonable to say two people were killed in the day Obama was there.
Obviously, you showed proof that no one was shpt to death that day, but numbers show that there are two a day there.
So, yes.. those lies were bigger.

a reply to: DAVID64


I is an issue of size, magnitude and impact of the lie. It is not just about lies. Sure Clinton lied as did Obama however we have had so many lies and fake news spouted by Emperor trump before the lection and now so early into his office.

Do you realise that a day does not pass without a lie from the Emperor? Acting on lies is never going to solve th issues we face!

a reply to: swedy13

That's not an alt fact, it's an opinion. Also, I'd agree more with his opinion than yours. The celebrity "vote" video went viral this year and people I didn't even know had political opinions, people I've never seen get political, were ripping on it.

Did I say it was? To the contrary, I said:

It's not unreasonoble to speculate that celebrities hurt "the cause"

(yes, there's a typo in there damnit)

That's an opinion. What was bogus was the part about people protesting having not voted. That was something he pulled out of thing air.