Radiation at Fukushima nuclear plant at unimaginable levels

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: burdman30ott6

Are salmon bottom feeders? Because, unless they are, they aren't going to pick up much radioactive material.

www.adn.com...

Surely somewhere along the food chain salmon eat fish that have eaten bottom feeders or other small fish that do, if the salmon burdman are talking about are hanging around japan before heading to Alaska, i would assume that much of the local aquatic life is exposed to the radiation, much like parents and children in a school environment.

a reply to: Reverbs

The real question is which containment? The fuel is either melted out the bottom of the reactor housing/compartment and is sitting on the containment building floor.

Or, the most likely....

The fuel melted out the bottom of the reactor vessel and is sitting at the bottom of the reactor housing/compartment.

But if the reactor building is cracked, and the reactor housing/compartment is cracked, then their is really no containment. Water with radioactive contamination is leaking into the environment.

The fuel didn't have to melt out the bottom. If the bottom failed do to cracking, it's just as bad.

I am curious, what if they channel that underground river somewhere else and let those cores melt into the ground until they reach the mantle and dilute into the molten rock in there? Maybe pumping liquid iron over it to accelerate the process and seal the hole at the same time?

The levels being reported are not accurate in fact the margin of error of the tests allows for it to be currently over 600 sievert an hour...
But even worse these readings were measured at a considerable distance...
Top minds estimate the true levels could be up to 10x higher than that...

Whats being admitted to is bad enough the truth of the situation is far worse...
This problem without a virtually miraculous intervention of innovation could well prove to be a globally dire scenario its only a matter of time...

With one foot on land and one in the ocean this monster is a potential beast of biblical proportions...

And if thats not scary enough for you... A seismic expert from Japan which forewarned of an impending epic quake in 2011 is doing the same once again for this year...

a reply to: 5StarOracle

Can you post some sources for those items?

a reply to: Reverbs

Your comments about the Sun got me thinking. Also the comment about keeping it underwater...

So, the radioactive mass which has melted down & which becomes ridiculously hot & deadly - is cooled, apparently by the groundwater/ underground river which is flowing across that region.

Hot, radioactive mass, likely melted its way down through the structure of the building until the groundwater starts leaking in & cooling it, preventing it from going through any further layers beneath it. Simultaneously this cooling action has lethal side effects of keeping the hot, radioactive mass nearer to the surface, and additionally throwing off hundreds of tons of water into the ocean every single day for the next thousand years.

The way that various scientists seem to be approaching this problem is with a means of surface containment, and I imagine they all eventually have a moment of closing their eyes & wishing really hard that the problem just goes away after one more sleep.

However. What if this is precisely the sort of disaster, the uniquely human challenge, which propels a civilisation up a level toward total mastery of their environment, leading to jumps up the Kardashev scale..?

My thought, which just came as a sort of 'what would fix this?' flash of unintended ideation from somewhere in my subconscious:

Instead of trying to 'contain' the radioactive, deadly, hot mass of material, we should be literally burying it. Deep. So deep that we actually need to engineer a whole new means of getting down that deep. We need to learn how to drill/bore/blast/frack our way down, in a highly controlled way, right down into the upper mantle, way below the crust. We need to channel the hot, radioactive mass - which is our uniquely human mistake - down into the upper plastic flow of our earth's mantle. Once the mass is forced into the flow of the mantle, the mantle will dilute, spread, assimilate & neutralise what started out as a singular hot mass of deadly material. Then, after the flow of the upper mantle has dispersed the deadly mass far and wide within its own flowing mass, we lift whatever plug we had keeping the mantle from swelling up the bore hole, and we allow a controlled 'volcanic' upsurge of mantle material, which rises up & eventually overseals the entire devastated, irradiated region, ameliorating the worst emanations of radioactivity.

Huzzah..!!! We just saved the planet from a slow toxic destruction which would have taken us to our doom over the course of a thousand years, and simultaneously created a whole new wave of mega-engineering, inspiring the entire human race to reach for the stars.. Not in a trashy, naive pop song way, but in a very real, technologically progressive way - encouraging us to think in timescales well in excess of our own lifetimes, or even the lifetimes of our immediate descendants. We will be thinking in terms of thousands of years, in terms of LEGACY. Which is the highest possible material goal for any human or group of humans acting together, and which would represent the approaching true maturity of the human race.

Why not tunnel under and drop the floor out? Then remove a bit at a time.

Take a look at what Kyodo news reports:

Robot probe of Fukushima reactor halted due to glitch

An operation to prepare to examine the inside of the No. 2 reactor at the disaster-struck Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant was halted Thursday due to a technical glitch, the plant operator said.

Tokyo Electric Power Company Holdings Inc. said it sent a robot with a high-pressure water nozzle into a containment structure housing the pressure vessel, but suspended the work after video images from a camera on the robot became dark.

TEPCO said high radiation levels may have caused the camera glitch. The camera was designed to withstand cumulative radiation exposure up to 1,000 sieverts. Previously the company said up to 530 sieverts per hour of radiation was detected within the reactor containment structure in late January. The radiation reading during the robot operation Thursday was 650 sieverts, TEPCO said.

So the 530 number FOX reported was from January. The 650 reading is the most recent reading.

edit on 9-2-2017 by loam because: (no reason given)

a reply to: loam

I saw a short video last year which showed a dome being put over the plant so how can there still be mass leaks?

Where's the dome?

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Amazon has a variety of Geiger counters for sale, in all price ranges. Why not invest in one? I thought about getting one after the meltdown to test the strawberries and produce from California, while actually in the grocery store. Just run it down the produce section. Wonder what the manager would have thought about that? lol. But I didn't. I began buying my fruits and vegetables grown in areas as far away from California as possible. Like, Mexico, Guatemala, Florida and Georgia. Mmmm. Good.

But, it might be a worthwhile purchase for you to test your fish.

I remember reading if it breached the base it would melt down through the earth forever. IDK if true. just remember reading if it breached it that there is nothing they could do period. maybe dump concrete over it and walk away. This one was deteriorating in my state years ago. i can't believe how many of this vintage are still operating.. en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: loam

Hideyuki Ban co director of Citizens Nuclear Information Center

www.globalresearch.ca...

Dr Masaaki Kimura seismologist

Sorry im not much for quoting sources that information is from memory...

a reply to: TruthxIsxInxThexMist

You are probably remembering the mammoth effort finally put into place at Chernobyl which is still only a temporary solution...

Didn't they just do a report in the last week or so that they said everything was fine and the levels had gone down and the water around there was ok? Or did I not see that?


Also what about the core....it's melting through right? Well where is it going to go? They can't stop it so will it finally stop producing heat if it starts melting together w other foreign material?

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Also what about the core....

Here's the pic they got from below the reactor:


fukuleaks.org

This large but concentrated hole appears to be the failure point for the unit 2 reactor pressure vessel (RPV). Melted fuel (corium) likely flowed through this hole and collected into the sump in the containment structure floor. The slow failure and small opening melted through the RPV likely allowed the molten fuel to burn down as it collected in the sump. This new visual evidence shows conditions that could have led to the molten fuel burning down into the reactor building concrete basemat. Without sufficient cooling, it could have potentially burned down through the basemat.

Here is a diagram showing where the picture was taken:

It's ugly and will remain so for quite a long period of time.

Fresh Uranium pellets used in most reactor rods, is enough to kill you at a sprint at 20 yds if you ran away from it.
Dirty fuel is all kinds of worse, and of course meltdown creates all kinds of impurities and additional materials.
Japan will let their pride get in the way of allowing outside help to find a solution.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

If the core was still producing power due to nuclear fission, they would be trying to chemically poison the remains of the fuel with a boron compound.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Thanks for posting this.

I like the way how they piled up the meltdown on top of the containment as if it aint breached.

In this case, specifically, there is no evidence that core slag melted through the containment vessel.

Wishful thinking at it's finest. Guess what, there's no evidence to the contrary either. They didn't reach that part yet, how are they supposed to give a correct assessment now?
We're probably being lied to again, just look at their track-record with regards to honesty. Which is why I'd go with the worst-case scenario until proven otherwise.

a reply to: ChrisM101

Fresh fuel rods will not kill you in a short time. Please research before posting.

www.quora.com...

The dose rate from a used fuel assembly could be as high as 10,000 R/hr at 1 meter. You would receive a lethal dose within minutes if unshielded and recently removed from the reactor. The good news is that alarms would go off long before you ever got near the fuel bundle. You would be evacuated and the bundle would be submerged before you ever were exposed to the bundle.

This video is not from a spent fuel assembly as others have pointed out. The dose rates from new fuel is negligible. You can stand next to new fuel without receiving any real dose (you would get more from the surroundings than the fuel itself). When new fuel arrives, it is inspected and channeled. After being channeled, it is placed in the fuel pool where it waits to be loaded into the reactor.

And remember, if the core was still producing power, a neutron flux, and inducing nuclear fissions, they would inject the containment with a boron solution to poison the nuclear reaction.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

Guess what, there's no evidence to the contrary either.

Well there is this:
www.theguardian.com...