Syrian Refugee Charged after Multiple Sexual Assaults in Canadian Swimming Pool

a reply to: soficrow

Very nice. Unfortunately, many countries are without databases, law enforcement, or pressures such as that. The West is centuries ahead.

originally posted by: TheTory

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Is it just me or is this conversation now more reinvent to the thread i have written about trump being a sexual predator???

Seems we have went off on a bit of a tangent

There have been many threads on that. The point is, there is no irony.

Well in my view its is very hypocritical to say this is wrong but there is nothing wrong with what Trump has done and said.

You disagree, that's fine, its your opinion you are entitled to it, but its not going to change mine or the fact Trump has said he "grabs women by the [SNIP]" or the ever mounting accusations being levelled at him. So its not going to change my views on this.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

He never said he grabs him by the [SNIP]. Not a fact. You just posted the direct quote of what he said, but are nonetheless repeating the propaganda on the issue.

ENOUGH

This thread is NOT about Trump.

Please return to the thread topic.

Anymore off topic posts will be removed, and post bans handed out.

Do not reply to this post.

self edit. Sorry mods, I will bow out of this one

originally posted by: TheTory
We take a chance with our own citizens. We don't need to take that same chance with non-citizens.

If you do not apply that same thought across the board, including Americans, Brits, and other societies that still like to identify as 'white & Christian'...
Guess what? You just might be a racist!

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

Well people are people and should be treated as such.

Categorizing them by geographic origin, religious orientation or implying that they are somehow all sex offenders is indeed racist to a fashion, there are simply no two ways about it.

That being said the individual responsible for such a heinous act of depravity should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law of the land, and if found guilty be punished accordingly.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

Well people are people and should be treated as such.

Categorizing them by geographic origin, religious orientation or implying that they are somehow all sex offenders is indeed racist to a fashion, there are simply no two ways about it.

That being said the individual responsible for such a heinous act of depravity should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law of the land, and if found guilty be punished accordingly.

Well, absolutely. I simply find the emphasis on the perp's origins, and the casual use of such to impugn refugees in general to be quite shameless. But there's a lot of that goin' on all of a sudden.

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

Well people are people and should be treated as such.

Categorizing them by geographic origin, religious orientation or implying that they are somehow all sex offenders is indeed racist to a fashion, there are simply no two ways about it.

That being said the individual responsible for such a heinous act of depravity should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law of the land, and if found guilty be punished accordingly.

Well, absolutely. I simply find the emphasis on the perp's origins, and the casual use of such to impugn refugees in general to be quite shameless. But there's a lot of that goin' on all of a sudden.

Is it shameless to look at the mass immigration in the EU and the troubles that have sprung from that?

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

If you do not apply that same thought across the board, including Americans, Brits, and other societies that still like to identify as 'white & Christian'...
Guess what? You just might be a racist!

I do hold the same standards to all those populations. If you look at this through an angle of race and identity politics, you're probably a racist.

Is the first thought that passes through your mind upon hearing syrian or refugee brown people?

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

Well people are people and should be treated as such.

Categorizing them by geographic origin, religious orientation or implying that they are somehow all sex offenders is indeed racist to a fashion, there are simply no two ways about it.

That being said the individual responsible for such a heinous act of depravity should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law of the land, and if found guilty be punished accordingly.

Well, absolutely. I simply find the emphasis on the perp's origins, and the casual use of such to impugn refugees in general to be quite shameless. But there's a lot of that goin' on all of a sudden.

Is it shameless to look at the mass immigration in the EU and the troubles that have sprung from that?

We are not dealing with mass immigration here. The incoming refugees have been heavily vetted coming in. The emphasis is on families...not a lot of single young men of military age getting the nod. But I cannot help but point out that the perp's origin was third paragraph from the bottom of the article. The OP took it upon himself to make that the lead. True colours emerging, and all that.

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

Well people are people and should be treated as such.

Categorizing them by geographic origin, religious orientation or implying that they are somehow all sex offenders is indeed racist to a fashion, there are simply no two ways about it.

That being said the individual responsible for such a heinous act of depravity should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law of the land, and if found guilty be punished accordingly.

Well, absolutely. I simply find the emphasis on the perp's origins, and the casual use of such to impugn refugees in general to be quite shameless. But there's a lot of that goin' on all of a sudden.

Is it shameless to look at the mass immigration in the EU and the troubles that have sprung from that?

We are not dealing with mass immigration here. The incoming refugees have been heavily vetted coming in. The emphasis is on families...not a lot of single young men of military age getting the nod. But I cannot help but point out that the perp's origin was third paragraph from the bottom of the article. The OP took it upon himself to make that the lead. True colours emerging, and all that.

I am not speaking to the op motivation.

I also no little about Canadas immigration system. It sounds like they do a great job. I was merely discussing with other members the importance of controlling immigration an how the EU's problems can be a lesson to us all.

But I hope that Canadas system works, and I hope that both the native people of Canada and the immigrants benefit each other.

originally posted by: Grambler
But I hope that Canadas system works, and I hope that both the native people of Canada and the immigrants benefit each other.

You do what you can, eh? How many Nazis got in under Operation Paperclip?
There are those who inherently disagree with accepting refugees and immigration in general. Xenophobia...fear and hatred of 'the other'. It was the same with Jews, Italians, Irish...you name it. We all have elements of our DNA that at some point made others run for the torches and pitchforks. Sadly, that has not changed.
So, one makes the choice? Help the newcomers adapt to this frigid foreign land, or rile people up against them? I know the one I made, and I'm quite comfortable with it.

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

We are not dealing with mass immigration here. The incoming refugees have been heavily vetted coming in. The emphasis is on families...not a lot of single young men of military age getting the nod. But I cannot help but point out that the perp's origin was third paragraph from the bottom of the article. The OP took it upon himself to make that the lead. True colours emerging, and all that.

True colours? These refugees are bankrolled by the Canadian taxpayer. The problem is is that you mistakenly confuse Syrian refugees with your initial gut-reaction of them as "brown people". You make that connection, not I.

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck
You do what you can, eh? How many Nazis got in under Operation Paperclip?
There are those who inherently disagree with accepting refugees and immigration in general. Xenophobia...fear and hatred of 'the other'. It was the same with Jews, Italians, Irish...you name it. We all have elements of our DNA that at some point made others run for the torches and pitchforks. Sadly, that has not changed.
So, one makes the choice? Help the newcomers adapt to this frigid foreign land, or rile people up against them? I know the one I made, and I'm quite comfortable with it.

Like many other people, you are misunderstanding and misapplying the meaning of a word ending in -phobia, in this case for propaganda reasons. Anything ending in "phobia" is an irrational or morbid fear of the root word. Yes, common usage has become slippery, but again, this is due to shifting definitions for political reasons.

If most people here had an irrational/morbid fear of foreigners, they would be opposed to ALL immigration. Since most people are worried about mass immigration from countries that have a far different culture and set of social norms and values, and have had incidents there as a result of this clash of cultures, I would say being cautious and asking for more regulation to protect the borders of one's own country is a reasonable position to hold.

originally posted by: TheTory
These refugees are bankrolled by the Canadian taxpayer.

Approx half of the new Canadians came via private sponsorship. And, many are already contributing as Canadian taxpayers.

It would appear that this venture, at least, ended up paying for itself.

originally posted by: TheTory
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

We are not dealing with mass immigration here. The incoming refugees have been heavily vetted coming in. The emphasis is on families...not a lot of single young men of military age getting the nod. But I cannot help but point out that the perp's origin was third paragraph from the bottom of the article. The OP took it upon himself to make that the lead. True colours emerging, and all that.

True colours? These refugees are bankrolled by the Canadian taxpayer. The problem is is that you mistakenly confuse Syrian refugees with your initial gut-reaction of them as "brown people". You make that connection, not I.

You chose his nationality to be the story, unlike the report that you sourced it from. So, it is most important to you that the crime was committed by a refugee. You used that to launch an attack on refugees in general. Yes...true colours, indeed.
Brown people? I am addressing a strong 'The Wogs begin at Calais' mentality here, that certainly doesn't accept Arabs or other Semitic peoples as white.
And yes, my neighbour and his family were bankrolled by the Canadian taxpayer. He is busy working to pay off their airfare and the cost of their medical screening. They are all working on their English (and surviving their first Canadian winter). They have 2 Canadian flags hanging from their mailbox. They are kind people...unlike some of those who have chosen to demonise them. I figure that was money well invested. Sorry that makes you sad.

a reply to: peck420

Approx half of the new Canadians came via private sponsorship. And, many are already contributing as Canadian taxpayers.

It would appear that this venture, at least, ended up paying for itself.

Any statistics to peruse?

originally posted by: TheTory
Any statistics to peruse?

How does that relate to your original post? Kinda looks like a search for validation to impugn refugees.

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: TheTory
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

We are not dealing with mass immigration here. The incoming refugees have been heavily vetted coming in. The emphasis is on families...not a lot of single young men of military age getting the nod. But I cannot help but point out that the perp's origin was third paragraph from the bottom of the article. The OP took it upon himself to make that the lead. True colours emerging, and all that.

True colours? These refugees are bankrolled by the Canadian taxpayer. The problem is is that you mistakenly confuse Syrian refugees with your initial gut-reaction of them as "brown people". You make that connection, not I.

You chose his nationality to be the story, unlike the report that you sourced it from. So, it is most important to you that the crime was committed by a refugee. You used that to launch an attack on refugees in general. Yes...true colours, indeed.
Brown people? I am addressing a strong 'The Wogs begin at Calais' mentality here, that certainly doesn't accept Arabs or other Semitic peoples as white.
And yes, my neighbour and his family were bankrolled by the Canadian taxpayer. He is busy working to pay off their airfare and the cost of their medical screening. They are all working on their English (and surviving their first Canadian winter). They have 2 Canadian flags hanging from their mailbox. They are kind people...unlike some of those who have chosen to demonise them. I figure that was money well invested. Sorry that makes you sad.

Yes he is a Syrian refugee, which is a point of fact. I’m sorry that is difficult for you to talk about.

But your idea that I am “launching an attack”, which is especially specious, is telling. Your idea of an “attack” is criticism about a culture that isn't yours, which is likely held to lower standards because they look different than you, whereas you make no mention of the real attack against against 6 bikini-clad teenagers because you fear your aversive prejudices will be let out of the bag.