Author of Illuminatus Trilogy and Illuminati Card SS Gaming Connection & the Devil

a reply to: mOjOm

That there is a hidden hand controlling everything and trying to lead us the wrong way. That everything has a reason for being, and that everything is connected, one way or another. That is what the theory is, as I tried to point out what the hidden hand is I also showed what the hidden hands actions are.

The only thing i really ask is to look into the events until you spot the common denominator. There is one thing each topic has in common. I already pointed it out, it's Lucifer.

a reply to: SoulSurfer

So this is a theory about Everything basically and the unseen, or at least unnoticed intelligent influenced controlling mechanism behind it all. Which you call Lucifer.

That's a pretty broad and complex single theory.

Also, can you define Lucifer more clearly because I was under the impression that according to the bible Lucifer isn't Satan. In fact just the debate on who or what Lucifer is meant to be is still discussed today and it changes depending upon what Religious Study one agrees with.

I'm not trying to shoot down your theory here but you may want to limit it's focus a bit to make it more clear. We can stare into the abyss and see the connected wonder and deeper significance now and then which make us believe there are omnipresent forces at work. But that's what happens when you stare into the abyss. Anything we imagine becomes possible. Doesn't mean it's actually correct. But it's not incorrect either.

Also, why is this hidden hand Lucifer anyway and not God. Isn't God supposed to be the one in charge. Maybe you're focused on the wrong guy because he's just more interesting to think about???

a reply to: mOjOm

oo boy, you want the short answer or the long answer?

Proverbs 10:10
He who winks the eye causes trouble, And a babbling fool will be ruined.
Proverbs 6:13
Who winks with his eyes, who signals with his feet, Who points with his fingers;
Proverbs 16:30
He who winks his eyes does so to devise perverse things; He who compresses his lips brings evil to pass.
Psalm 35:19
Do not let those who are wrongfully my enemies rejoice over me; Nor let those who hate me without cause wink maliciously

its an It, both male and female, the "light" within the darkness.








Watch at 1:27, those who worship her are putting her to light (Video below)

a reply to: SoulSurfer

Was that the short or the long answer?????

I still think you're rambling and to some degree just seeing patterns because you want to see them. Or maybe that they really are patters here an there but your conclusion is just more woo kookery.

But that's just me. I'm not a big believer in the Supernatural or Gods and Demons or Succubi and all that stuff. I think they are all metaphors and symbolic ideas that have a component to something real or to some difficult idea but that's it. I don't think they are real independent actors. So that's just me.

You have interesting if somewhat confusing posts though, I'll give you that.

a reply to: SoulSurfer

I was hoping there would be a bunch more Uncle Bob stuff in here.

You are all over the place on this one, but maybe you are just being discordian.

If that's the case hail Eris!
fnord, may you find your pooka and have a pleasant reality tunnel


Here's a tasty bite about RAW

he has been accused of being an MK-ULTRA handler and is round a bout connected to the JFK assassination, this should stir the chaos you got going on in your thread up a bit

Wilson, in his introduction to the Prankster and the Conspiracy, says he was accused of being a CIA “handler” by author Kerry Thornley, who was convinced that he had been the subject of MK-Ultra experiments along with his army buddy, (here it comes) Lee Harvey Oswald.

Thornley and Oswald were in the same Marine regiment in 1959. Later that year, Thornley was transferred to Japan, where he heard that Oswald had defected to the Soviet Union, an event that he fictionalizes in The Idle Warriors, a novel he finished in 1961. It was based on some of his companions in the Marines, with the main character as a kind of mish-mash of Oswald and himself, who defects at the end.

Because of The Idle Warriors, Thornley was called to testify before the Warren Commission in 1964 on his connection to the accused. The following year, he published Oswald, which endorsed the findings of the Warren Commission.

Principia DiscordiaThornley’s relationship with Wilson begins in 1967, two years after the production of the first edition of the Principia Discordia, the holy book of Discordianism, written by Malaclypse the Younger (Greg Hill) and Lord Omar Khayyam Ravenhurst (our friend, Kerry Thornley). Discordianism had been created by the two men in 1957, two years before Thornley met Oswald. It espouses that the true reality is one of chaos, and the order that we perceive in the universe is an illusion, created by our consciousness to help us cope with existence. It’s often compared with Zen. Robert Wilson became an enthusiastic convert to Discordianism and, along with Robert Shea, included the group in the Illuminatus! trilogy, a move that brought the religion into the realm of public discourse.

from this article

a reply to: mOjOm

Thank you.. In reality I'm not really the voice of reason anywhere though.

More often than not I am the voice of insanity, coincidentally I was once cursed out by Robert Anton Wilson in one of my psychotic episodes.

I can be if I choose to be sometimes though, I suppose.

originally posted by: SoulSurfer
a reply to: mOjOm

I think you'll find he has changed his position since that last post. there is too much circumstantial evidence suggesting this will happen to pass it off.

I don't know why you would say that. I still think you're insane and I still think you're avoiding certain issues and I still don't really even understand this theory of yours.

But I also realise that sometimes there's genius in insanity. And also that you may be in a certain place right now.. where in a sense you're psychically fragmented - for lack of a better term. These heightened states of insanity can be great lessons. But while being in them perceptions are distorted.. and you get threads like this one.

To beat and overcome insanity. That is the test. Or at least one of them.

You're on your way, somewhere, but right now you're all over the place.

a reply to: DeadMoonJester

Im nt really all over the place. My conclussion is Lucifer is the master of this Illusion. And everything is according to biblical prophecy. The hidden hand manipulating everything is also biblical prophecy.

It may sound insane, but really it is scripture. And it is not insanity, it is the truth and the life. Jesus is Lord. Lucifer is the pyramid rejecting Jesus.

And all the OP states is the circumstantial evidences supporting that the whole world is astage, and there is only one way to get out.


I am not Fragmented, I am of ONE mind. Non dual. That is where I am now. You can call it "transcendence" from duality. Which can only be obtained by alligning with natural law (the holy spirit), the belief in the son, (saved by the Grace of Jesus Christ.) and the Father.)

Insanity is when you're dualistic, and self centered.

What I stated in the OP, is evidences, that the end times is here, and that you've been warned.

a reply to: SoulSurfer

And yet you never touch on anything that blows a hole in your Christian narrative. Why is that?

It's fairly obvious to me, you have no real answer for any of that. For you it's either Jesus or damnation. Yet Jesus is but one of many.

I don't need Jesus, you don't need Jesus. There's really nothing special with Jesus.

Krishna, Buddha and Laozi all accomplished the same thing long before Jesus was born. Tell me, what is so special about Jesus?

I am sorry I am not as impressed by Jesus as you are but I assure you I am in no danger of damnation because of anything related to Jesus. If I were in danger of damnation it would be because of my own actions, not because of ignoring some arbitrary and illogical false dilemma created by corrupt Christian officials looking to brainwash their parish.

You've certainly been had though. That much is obvious.

originally posted by: SoulSurfer
It may sound insane, but really it is scripture. And it is not insanity...

When people say 'it may sound insane' or 'it is not insanity' it is the same as when they are telling someone else 'it's not you, it's me'.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

When people say "it may sound insane but the bible told me so it's not really me being insane it's the bible but the bible isn't insane either," then it's really them saying, "I AM BAT# CRAZY."

JK.

The scripture is really just a socially acceptable kind of insane.

JK.

God is real and Jesus is lord and all that. AMEN.

a reply to: geezlouise

I'm glad your kooky ass agrees with me. I would have been worried if you didn't.

All Hail Discordia !!!

i read those books years ago, they were very interesting if at times difficult to get through.

i don't know much about the cards, almost everything i have ever read about them has been on this site.

i always just assumed that the Illuminatus trilogy was a satirical swipe at conspiracy theories in general. they are good books and should be read by anyone with an interest in conspiracy theories

Hail Eris

a reply to: DeadMoonJester

I don't need Jesus, you don't need Jesus. There's really nothing special with Jesus.

I need Jesus. I confess with my mouth, he is Lord and savior, God come into the flesh. With that said, I conclude this thread.

Update:
I may have found a connection for "The Stars are Right" Illuminati card. Dahboo77 theorizes on a future event where there will be signs in the stars as well as a date for an alignment in the stars.
September 23, 2017, Revelation 12, US Solar Eclipse - Signs in the Heavens


When he gets to this part; (See Screenshot below), that is when things get interesting. He points out a future alignment and a possible date for the coming of the Anti-Christ.


The Stars Allign?


Time will tell.

originally posted by: SoulSurfer
When he gets to this part; (See Screenshot below), that is when things get interesting. He points out a future alignment and a possible date for the coming of the Anti-Christ.

Seriously? That's what we are doing now? Using a card game to 'predict the return of the anti-Christ'?

You may think Dahboo77 is onto something but my opinion is this person is about seven beers short of a six pack.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Well, feel free to debunk the "card game". many have tried but so far the card game itself remains a mystery as to why it accurately predicts the future. So yes, im gonna make that prediction, based on a card game which I fully understand why to you it may sound ridiculous.

What are you afraid of? if it doesn't come true then I was wrong, Big whoop, we move on. But if I am right, then all hell is about to break lose. Literally.

Sure you have the freedom to call me a nut, insane, and what not. big whoop, people like to use funny nick names to label what they can't really see beyond their own egos and selves. But I like keeping myself open minded on things especially when there is all sorts of weirdness surrounding them.

people like Dahboo77 are weird yes, but I'd rather be part of the weirdness than the stereotypes out there that only wish to shut down freedom of thought.

Last time i checked. theories had no rules.

Aside from that, I find these weird topics to be a breath of fresh air away from ... the madness going on in the realm of politics.

That being said... Make ATS Great Again...

originally posted by: SoulSurfer
Well, feel free to debunk the "card game". many have tried but so far the card game itself remains a mystery as to why it accurately predicts the future.

The only place this card game predicts the future is in the fevered minds of people connecting dots that do not even exist.

What are you afraid of? if it doesn't come true then I was wrong, Big whoop, we move on. But if I am right, then all hell is about to break lose. Literally.

Why not all Hades? Or any other made up place where the bad people go? Why does the card game predict Christian myths?

people like Dahboo77 are weird yes, but I'd rather be part of the weirdness than the stereotypes out there that only wish to shut down freedom of thought.

Having fun with a theory is one thing, whole heartedly believing that card games predict the return if the fairytale anti-Christ is a whole other level of wackadoodlery.

Aside from that, I find these weird topics to be a breath of fresh air away from ... the madness going on in the realm of politics.

See above. But, you are right, at least it is not about Trump.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Thanks for your opinion. The connections exists, even though you say it does not. Let people judge for themselves. The good things bout opinions, just like my opinions, they are always subjective. Which technically is both of us.

Why not all Hades? Or any other made up place where the bad people go? Why does the card game predict Christian myths?

I would love to know the answer to this too. I am still researching. Bottom line, it matches biblical scripture.

Having fun with a theory is one thing, whole heartedly believing that card games predict the return if the fairytale anti-Christ is a whole other level of wackadoodlery.

99% is not wholeheartedly There is always that 1%. The fact is, that they did predict the future. Accurately. Insane isn't it? That is why im betting on those cards. So I would let people to do their own research, for the sake of curiosity if not, entertainment purposes.

Lighten up, it's just a theory

originally posted by: SoulSurfer
Thanks for your opinion. The connections exists, even though you say it does not. Let people judge for themselves. The good things bout opinions, just like my opinions, they are always subjective. Which technically is both of us.

That is an overused and rather erroneous cliché. Some opinions are based on fact, while others are based on layers of the unsubstantiated.

I would love to know the answer to this too. I am still researching. Bottom line, it matches biblical scripture.

I have seen thread after thread in 9 years about this card game and the bulk of them have nothing to do with the Bible.

Insane isn't it?

Like 'time for the meds' level insane. Card games do not predict anything.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I see it differently. But to categorize a theory as "insane", you would then have to call all those scientists, especially those within metaphysics, insane as well. It is theories that allows us to move beyond ourselves.

healthy skepticism is good, but too much of it can be bad. The key is a balance. That is why i label this as theory, instead of facts. There really is not point into labeling theories as insane. if that were the case, then science as a whole is insanity.

Without theories there is no progress. Theories allows for investigations. Think of this one as an extension of those investigations.

It may not seem like much to you, but you know that old saying, one persons garbage is another persons treasure.