Yemen withdraws permission for US commando operations after Donald Trump's botched raid

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Profusion

Not be allowed to get started?

Well I do not quite agree with that. It seems to me that he had every opportunity to start things off the right way. First of all, he might have actually had a word with the military brass, gotten some instruction about how operations actually work, what the risks involved to both solider and civilian alike, about tactical matters, about the very nature of the thing he was about to sign off on. But these things would have taken time, they would have taken effort on his part, and they would have taken, above all things, intelligence. In this case, I mean both the intelligence from on the ground sources and observations from drones, satellites, as well as the raw intellect necessary to weigh the potential for success in such an operation, without getting it utterly and totally wrong.

If this incident prevents him from being trusted by national leaders, to move in their territory with the care, attention and precision that one ought to expect from a developed nation in the military sphere, then it is because he made a pigs ear of the first step off the block, failed to call in the right kind of advice, failed to have "the best people, the best, believe me!" working on the organisation of this effort. This is the stuff he was ELECTED ON! He assured everyone that he knew better than the generals, that he knew better than the Joint Chiefs and everyone involved, about how to get rid of IS, and of course, he bloody well does not know better than those people. There are literally NO people, with his total lack of real life experience, who are even REMOTELY qualified to make such assertions, which is why Presidents (who in the modern era do not, by and large, have military histories of any note what so ever), tend to rely on advice from people who know the difference between a muzzle break and a broken barrel.

You type so much and yet you say absolutely nothing. Nothing you said here is verifiable in anyway. You have no idea what you're talking about. You're literally talking out of your ass.

a reply to: watchitburn

Trump will continue to bomb wherever and whomever he wants. He will not rest until Islam is wiped from the face of the Earth, remember?

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: TheBulk

Eight year. Sure. I give it eight months and we're in the court seeking to impeach the moron.
He simply can't do this job. Unfit.

That's not going to happen. You guys need to get these fascist dreams of subverting a democratic election out of your mind. He's not going anywhere.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: TheBulk

originally posted by: FelisOrion
a reply to: Profusion

These articles mean nothing to the sycophants. Jesus could come down himself and put forth a commandment against Donald, and they still would follow him into the fire.


Him isolating his allies and inspiring worry in other nations is all part of his plan to MAGA. Does he even have a plan? Part of me thinks he is just winging it right now.

You need to have some perspective. This is the exact same narrative that we had during the bush years. You talk about sycophant, yet we just got done with eight years of a president who had the entire press as his sycophant Cult. You underestimate the power of the manipulative press.

Like the Press, you guys can't accept that you lost the election and you're going to throw an 8-year temper tantrum.

This logic makes me laugh.........

Because Obama supporters where blind cult followers it is ok for Trump supporters to be?

Hahahaha

American partasian bull# at its finest!

And the irony is witj both sides is if you disagree with trump action you are bu default a triggered commie democrat loving hillary supporter snow flake and if you disagree with the democrats by default you are a Trump worshiping, nazi loving , xenophobic, gay hating ,muslim banning tyranical fascist.

No middle ground, so taking each action as they are made! Your either 100% behind one or the other......


As for the topic?
In war # happens. Least Trump did not drone strike a wedding.....

That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying you can't trust the partisan Democrat Party press. The outrage that they are Manufacturing is propaganda designed to torpedo Trump. Just like they did when Bush was president. And then all of a sudden during the Obama years they're in a constant state of fawning adoration.

originally posted by: FelisOrion
a reply to: Profusion

These articles mean nothing to the sycophants. Jesus could come down himself and put forth a commandment against Donald, and they still would follow him into the fire.


Him isolating his allies and inspiring worry in other nations is all part of his plan to MAGA. Does he even have a plan? Part of me thinks he is just winging it right now.

What has he done to inspire worry, other than what the left has claimed? which so far has been proven time and time again as fallacious ?

You're kinda what you describe, yourself. If you think he is winging it, then... time will tell, but crying at every thing the MSM tell you, only serves against you.

a reply to: TheBulk

That's not going to happen. You guys need to get these fascist dreams of subverting a democratic election out of your mind. He's not going anywhere.

That's right! Your Fascist dream of a military-industrial complex coup has come true and you're not going to let it go.

a reply to: savemebarry

What has he done to inspire worry,

He is gutting Dodd-Frank, which will lead to another bubble, crash, and global recession. That's just for starters.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: ignorant_ape


It's true .
It's all over the news.

I had a good laugh at that.

a reply to: Sillyolme

Yeah, Trump needs to learn from other presidents how to carry out a raid. Lord knows he and future presidents can draw from the vast tactical knowledge at a black ops level that a president needs to have.

Because they are the ones that go in to push holes in people.

If only he was a better shot and better at "raiding" terrorists.

a reply to: TheBulk

REEEAAALLY?

Ok then, lets look at the facts. Trump has been president since the twentieth of last month. It is the eighth of February now, which means that he has had just 19 days in office at this point. The operation was carried out a little over a week ago, which means that the amount of planning that went into this job, cannot have been extensive. Simply put, regardless of the resources available to the US military, there is no way that a mission like this, can of been successfully put together, without FAR more intelligence gathering than evidently went into it.

The proof is in the pudding. When all that must be known is known, crap like this does not happen. When the right eyes are on the right things, stuff does NOT get missed, civilians do not have to die, and troops do not get killed for absolutely nothing, which , let me be clear, is precisely what the dead serviceman in this instance died for. It was not a successful mission, it was a foreign relations nightmare. It was not a successful operation, it was a clusterbang with a payoff no where near equal to the loss suffered by the unit who went in.

Thats just how it is, its not a matter of verification, its a matter of looking at the results. The results were crap, because everything that happened before the operation was executed was crap, and that is just the salt and pepper of the thing.

a reply to: TrueBrit

One must logically also question procedure in general, TB. Do all new presidents carry on right where the last left off, without the forethought of re-evaluating a pre-existing, planned mission to make sure it's air-tight & iron-clad as best possible, applying any possible new intel where needed, tweaking objectives where needed? Being on top of the subject of the op is highly important, no?
Or are they just a useless puppet expected to sign off on whatever is tossed in front of them regardless of where, or when it originated?

If yes to blindly plowing forth without re-evaluation, then that's our biggest glaring abyss in military operations procedure. It's not so much poor planning as it is poor plan upkeep. That falls on whatever president who's hands it sits in.

a reply to: Profusion



It's one thing to scrutinize, it's another to just take things at face value. How long ago was this raid operation started? Chanced are it wasn't a 3 week deal. Pointing your finger at Trump when you consider that alone, seems dumb. Than you also must consider the intelligence community must have been backing the operation, you don't do things without the people who know what they are doing and are doing it. This seems like another hit piece. The guy has a garbage personality but this crap has gotta stop. Been saying that a lot about ATS threads lately.

a reply to: Nyiah

Chances are, yes. The intelligence community keeps themselves up to date and the white house staff. Yes, they were briefings, yes Trump was updated. He was probably told that they can do this with confidence. Some times even the pros get it wrong. To assume otherwise, is just looking for reason to dump on Trump. He's got enough of that with that F- personality.

originally posted by: TheBulk
What a complete load of BS. I find it interesting that I didn't hear much of anything about operations during the Obama Administration, and then suddenly the media's all over the very first operation that Trump okay's.

Ding Ding Ding! But we all predicted it would happen.

Civilian drone strike deaths during Obama's presidency = not covered anywhere.

Any piece of sand dislodged from a soldier's boot anywhere in the world = Trump's fault.

Yemen was going to do this anyway because they hate trump personally. Money wise they love his company though.

Since when were sovereignty and permission important to US special operations

a reply to: TrueBrit

Brit, he doesnt do an ounce of planning when it comes to missions, nor do his advisors. That is done by much lower pay grades who actually do the job.

Also, it could have been planned last year and carried out today, if what ever factors fall into play.

He says yes or no. Not, sniper here, flash bang there.

And lets not forget, our military dies by the thousands yearly no matter who is in charge. Been that way for a while. They just dont get much press since we are the evil Americans.

Its kind of part of his platform. Small international footprint. Make other countries do for themselves as far as security.

Its part of the reason why so many powerful people hate him and why we like him.

a reply to: Profusion

Lol, I knew when I saw the words "commando operations" this story was bull#. Fake f¥ck!ng news. LOL

www.foxnews.com...

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: TheBulk

REEEAAALLY?

Ok then, lets look at the facts. Trump has been president since the twentieth of last month. It is the eighth of February now, which means that he has had just 19 days in office at this point. The operation was carried out a little over a week ago, which means that the amount of planning that went into this job, cannot have been extensive. Simply put, regardless of the resources available to the US military, there is no way that a mission like this, can of been successfully put together, without FAR more intelligence gathering than evidently went into it.

Much as I hate to defend the man, this isn't true.

The raid itself was part of a number of operations that were "set up" (planned) as part of ongoing missions. The incoming president would have been told to review them and talk with advisers to see which could and should be implemented.

Now, the botch-up is apparently on Trump's end and it looks as though part of his "hit the ground running" included "some sort of splashy military action that took out an Al Qaida leader." He did NOT do what he should have (review with advice) and just told them 'go ahead.'

...and they did.

We launched 25 airstrikes in Yemen yesterday. link


According to the Council on Foreign Relations, Trump is outpacing Obama with military strikes.