Federal Judge Just Issued a Stay Against Donald Trump's "Muslim Ban"

a reply to: Deny Arrogance

Or back in 2011 when Obama banned all Iraqis from entering the US for 6 months, resulting in the murder of a an Iraqi translator? The left / media are grandstanding and once again are not providing all the information so they can manipulate the simpletons who are to lazy to educate themselves on the facts and want to jump on a bandwagon they know nothing about.

and the DNC wonders why they lost...

originally posted by: soficrow
a reply to: GreyScale

Looks like laws were broken by the POTUS's proclamations, including Constitutional protections. Presidents do not have the power to break the law and act illegally. They are accountable.

And Federal Judges are responsible to uphold the law.

There are no constitutional protections for non-citizens. Why don't you understand that? NONE.

If he were actually creating a law then yes, that would have to go through Congress. But he is not making a law, he is placing into effect a temporary restriction, which is well within the rights of the Executive branch to do for matters of national security.

Now, to the bigger picture that many seemed to have missed. This is the second move in a chess game. All Trump and team are doing right now is target acquisition.

Theses judges... let me predict what is going to happen next. The next 9 months or so they are going to have about 14 federal agencies crawl so far up into their business that Trump will get a report on what they ate for Christmas 26 years ago. Then dirt will be found. If no dirt is found, dirt will be planted. In 2 years, none of these judges will be judges. People that are happy to support the Trump cause will be the new judges.

Welcome to American politics.

Where is the outrage for countries that actually do discriminate against people for their religion or nationality?

Saudi Arabia does not allow any non-Muslim to enter Mecca or Medina.

There are 16 Muslim countries that ban all Israelis and even Americans who only traveled to Israel are banned.

originally posted by: Deny Arrogance
Where is the outrage for countries that actually do discriminate against people for their religion or nationality?

Saudi Arabia does not allow any non-Muslim to enter Mecca or Medina.

There are 16 Muslim countries that ban all Israelis and even Americans who only traveled to Israel are banned.

do you want to be put under the same Umbrella as those countries? what sort of logic is that?
what about terrorist organization who torture human beings, why cant we torture too?
thats like a child who's mom told them not to do something and retort by saying all their friends are doing it too...

originally posted by: rickymouse
It is just a temporary measure so that the ones that were in transit can stay. I see there are some people envited here by the military for helping our soldiers that are left in their country, the one guy sold his house, he and his wife quit their jobs and they were at the airport when the ban came into effect in their own country. I think that there needs to be some consideration for people like him even though he was waiting for his flight at his airport when this happened. This guy is definitely not a terrorist. I hope Trump allows him and his family to come in, there were some that helped our soldiers there that will get hassled for helping our men by some people who are not so nice in their area.

But I do not know if that was a real news event or something made up by the networks. It is hard to tell, I can't trust what I see on the news on TV anymore, there is so much acting being staged.

You hit that nail on the head. Several of them and of course rather than characterize this for what it is, a 90 day stay on immigration from several countries known for being locations of terrorist training camps, the Loony Leftist MSM outlets are characterizing this as a "Ban on Muslims". Its a media frenzy of half-truths and opinion presented as fact. I'm done with the MSM for the next 4 years. They've so closely aligned themselves with the anti-American Leftist Blue Zone nutters, they're starting to look like nothing more than a bunch of Globalist Cheer Leaders. Ridiculous.

EDNY - Federal Judges ruling ***PDF LINK ***

Federal Judges in 4 states - New York, Virginia, Massachusetts, and Washington State, have issued orders that prevent the deportation of people with valid green cards / refugee status etc who are already in the US. All the orders are temporary, lasting about 7 days. The orders do not prevent the denial of entry outside the US from those countries nor does it apply to people who do not have a valid legal status from being denied entry / removed.

None of the rulings question the legality nor constitutionality of the order. If the order was illegal or unconstitutional the judges would have ruled in that manner as well.

So far, from what I can see, the Federal judges in question were Obama appointees.

a reply to: odzeandennz

We are not "doing it too."

The USA and Trump are NOT discriminating against religion or nationality.

This temporary halt is restricted to countries that Obama's administration determined to be serious terrorism threats.

This is not a new thing.
Presidents have been issuing executive orders regarding immigration for decades.

Impeachable? Here Are 18 Immigration Executive Orders Issued by Recent Republican Presidents Presidents Eisenhower, Ford, Reagan, Bush and Bush all altered immigration law by executive action, yet none were impeached

Impeachable? Here Are 18 Immigration Executive Orders Issued by Recent Republican Presidents

Notice that the above was defense of Obama's EO regarding immigration.
So what changed? People defended Obama's rights to do this, but when Trump does it, you accuse him of overreach?

Six other times the US has banned immigrants

No, Judge’s Order Did Not Actually Stop Officials From Enforcing Most of Trump’s Refugee Ban

In fact, civil rights attorneys believe Judge Ann Donnelly’s emergency action will only impact about 100 to 200 people. The order does allow those already at the airport to stay in the United States, pending more litigation in the case. There is also a separate order from a judge in Virginia stopping the removal of any green card holders from being detained at Dulles International Airport. However, the bottom line is that, as of this moment, the majority of Trump’s sweeping executive action that potentially affects million of refugees and immigrants remains in place.

“A federal judge on Saturday night issued a limited order precluding deportations of those individuals already present in the country who had already been approved for visas. This was misunderstood as a ‘stay’ of Trump’s entire executive order on immigration. It is not,” attorney Robert Barnes explained to LawNewz.com.

Late Saturday night, the Department of Homeland Security issued a statement confirming that they will continue to enforce Trump’s executive order:

President Trump’s Executive Orders remain in place—prohibited travel will remain prohibited, and the U.S. government retains its right to revoke visas at any time if required for national security or public safety. President Trump’s Executive Order affects a minor portion of international travelers, and is a first step towards reestablishing control over America’s borders and national security.

Why did Trump take this action?


Because the vetting process in use was devised by the Obama administration and prevents people doing the vetting from looking at certain things, like social media posts (facebook etc).


(Obama Admins) Secret US Policy Blocks Agents From Looking at Social Media of Visa Applicants, Former Official Says

The State Department today said that “obviously things went wrong” in the visa background check for one of the San Bernardino shooters -- comments that came in the wake of an ABC News report that said officials by policy generally do not check social media postings of applicants due to civil liberties concerns and therefore would not have seen purported evidence of Tashfeen Malik’s radicalization online.

“It’s difficult to say exactly what [went wrong] and how, but for an individual to be able to come into this country – one who the FBI has maintained had terrorist tendencies or affiliations or sympathies at least for a couple years, and then to propagate an attack like that on our own soil, obviously, I think it’s safe to say there’s going to be lessons learned here,” State Department spokesperson John Kirby told reporters.

Fearing a civil liberties backlash and "bad public relations" for the Obama administration, Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson refused in early 2014 to end the secret U.S. policy that prohibited immigration officials from reviewing the social media messages of all foreign citizens applying for U.S. visas, according to a former senior department official.

"During that time period immigration officials were not allowed to use or review social media as part of the screening process," John Cohen, a former acting under-secretary at DHS for intelligence and analysis. Cohen is now a national security consultant for ABC News.

One current and one former senior counter-terrorism official confirmed Cohen's account about the refusal of DHS to change its policy about the public social media posts of all foreign applicants.

click link for article...

State Department advisory on Executive order explained

Who it affects and what they should expect.

originally posted by: BlueAjah
No, Judge’s Order Did Not Actually Stop Officials From Enforcing Most of Trump’s Refugee Ban

In fact, civil rights attorneys believe Judge Ann Donnelly’s emergency action will only impact about 100 to 200 people. The order does allow those already at the airport to stay in the United States, pending more litigation in the case. There is also a separate order from a judge in Virginia stopping the removal of any green card holders from being detained at Dulles International Airport. However, the bottom line is that, as of this moment, the majority of Trump’s sweeping executive action that potentially affects million of refugees and immigrants remains in place.

“A federal judge on Saturday night issued a limited order precluding deportations of those individuals already present in the country who had already been approved for visas. This was misunderstood as a ‘stay’ of Trump’s entire executive order on immigration. It is not,” attorney Robert Barnes explained to LawNewz.com.

Late Saturday night, the Department of Homeland Security issued a statement confirming that they will continue to enforce Trump’s executive order:

President Trump’s Executive Orders remain in place—prohibited travel will remain prohibited, and the U.S. government retains its right to revoke visas at any time if required for national security or public safety. President Trump’s Executive Order affects a minor portion of international travelers, and is a first step towards reestablishing control over America’s borders and national security.

This is a FAKE NEWS thread, your information alone proves the title of this thread to be patently false.

Hoax bin

a reply to: TinfoilTP

The OP article is from Mother Jones and he used the article title. The fact its from mother jones though, a progressive site, speaks to the intentional distortion of the judges ruling they used as a title.

a reply to: Xcathdra

I think the past Administration used that to make it look like they were doing something.

If they deliberately did not enforce some things, it would cast an illusion of "not a big problem exists".

Now we see stronger enforcement, and guess what happens.

Backfire on past policies.

a reply to: xuenchen

and im sure Democrats will ignore Obamas failure and just blame bush. I wonder if the left will ever realize they are the cause of the current problem. By wanting to hug everyone instead of properly vetting we are in the situation we are in because of their failures.

Anyone calling this a "Muslim ban" is pushing fake news propaganda. There are 1.6 BILLION (yes, BILLION, with a B) Muslims on Earth. The combined population of the countries listed in the EO is around 211 million. Even if they were all Muslims (which they're not, there are non-Muslims in those countries who are also banned), this leaves about 1.4 billion Muslims living in other countries who are still free to come here.

It's not a Muslim ban if the vast majority of Muslims aren't banned. Stop lying.

a little YT info about the 'Muslim Ban'

time 21:11

www.youtube.com...

the countries (states of concern...originated by Obama) on the temporary visa ban

all-in-all the title of Muslim Ban is itself a FAKE NEWS slur or slam on Trump


anyhow just listen to the speaker on the YT presentation

The problems with what is going on with Trump EO is very simple, the media frenzy is turning the whole thing into a circus, as usual is those within our country that are suing misinformed people for their benefit and they are letting this influencing groups do it

Trump will not back off on his EO because everything he has done is within the scope of US immigration laws that has been established by congress.

No judge lower circuit court in the US have more power than congress, or the Supreme court.

In America visas are privilege no a right for none citizens

Now in America is laws that protect none citizens once they enter into US territory, but their circumstances have to be extreme and prove of been extreme.

a reply to: St Udio

I agree, the media frenzy is labeling every thing anyway they want they need to be put on the spot for misinforming the public.

originally posted by: EmmanuelGoldstein

originally posted by: Pandaram
Too late now.. in the hearts and minds of the patriotic muricans, all muslims are banned in America. Officially.

Disgusting.

Trump has a very compelling argument for not letting in people from certain countries. However, if you think you have a better counter argument for why we should let them in I'd like to hear it.