Trump is the First Seal of The Book of Revelations in The Bible

originally posted by: ketsuko
Don't confuse the first rider with the AntiChrist. They are not the same.

OK, did not occur to me, but tell me why, please

a reply to: galien8

No kidding Christians have always all through the ages anticipated Christ will return any day now (in their present time) moreover its the duty for us Christians to behave and think that way, to explain Revelation that way, I'm not any different, actually I see it as mysticism

You have false information.... Christians did not have a book or bible until the late 16th Century..... before that is was illegal and we got out information from preists..... we had nothing else.... we fought and paid with blood ..... all based upon hearsay...

So its not the actually Christian but the church leaders.....at that time.

originally posted by: DeathSlayer
a reply to: galien8

No kidding Christians have always all through the ages anticipated Christ will return any day now (in their present time) moreover its the duty for us Christians to behave and think that way, to explain Revelation that way, I'm not any different, actually I see it as mysticism

You have false information.... Christians did not have a book or bible until the late 16th Century..... before that is was illegal and we got out information from preists..... we had nothing else.... we fought and paid with blood ..... all based upon hearsay...

So its not the actually Christian but the church leaders.....at that time.

wore the church leaders not Christian than? Thats what I meant

a reply to: galien8

The Anti Christ is one of the two beasts, and they cannot come on the world until the Dragon falls out of heaven and the restrainer is removed at about the middle point which is after the appearance of the four horsemen. They also correspond to Daniel's four winds of heaven.

Whoever or whatever the first one is, he cannot be the full Anti Christ.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: galien8

The Anti Christ is one of the two beasts, and they cannot come on the world until the Dragon falls out of heaven and the restrainer is removed at about the middle point which is after the appearance of the four horsemen. They also correspond to Daniel's four winds of heaven.

Whoever or whatever the first one is, he cannot be the full Anti Christ.

I think the two beasts are from Seal 1 and 2, one of them can become later in life the antichrist (false prophet)

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Why do people always try and make cases for the identification of prophecies that have been fulfilled, like the book of Revelation wasn't written millenia ago?

Why not ACTUALLY figure out what the author ACTUALLY meant instead, which is revealing about THEN and has nothing to do with the end of days, not our days at least, and that it was written in code using gematria, metaphors and allegory?

I mean seriously, who the hell are you people that don't learn from the mistakes of the past, people have been making these arguments for 2000 years NO ONE has EVER been right.

a reply to: ketsuko

There is no Antichrist.

Not in the entire book of Revelation.

And Nero was one beast, 666, the other 2 came and died about 2000 years ago. Everything in that book either already happened or never will.

There is no such thing as the Antichrist.

Seriously, does anyone not understand that?

What I mean is the Book of Revelation doesn't even use the word, it appears only in the epistles of John and then is used in plural form and talking about many PEOPLE with no supernatural powers.

I don't think people are actually reading this book if they are still talking about the Antichrist of the Book of Revelation, because it just isn't there.

A beast is NOT the same as an antichrist, which is a person who is against Christ.

Beast is a metaphor for three people, and is fulfilled prophecy. Was when written, so not a prophecy at all really.

It is a revelation. About then. Not today, which is painfully obvious.

originally posted by: Joshuabennone

Beast is a metaphor for three people, and is fulfilled prophecy. Was when written, so not a prophecy at all really.

It is a revelation. About then. Not today, which is painfully obvious.

OK I tend to believe that Revelations is of all time, because it has such strong archetypal symbolism, so it can always be explained in any time, 100 years from now, 1,000 years from now etc. (always in the present time that people then live in). And backwards in time.

a reply to: galien8

The First Seal and the Second Seal, the beast from the sea and the beast from the earth in Revelation does not necessarily need to be the same, moreover does not necessarily be the same as the king of the North and the king of the South in Daniel 11:21-45. They can in principle all six of them be different persons. Than perhaps the king of the South is not mentioned in Revelation and can be a Islamic fundamentalists leader.

a reply to: galien8

No.

Revelation is fairly chronological - Seals, trumpets, bowls ...



The seals are corresponding to marriage and the traditional Jewish marriage ceremony. The marriage prepares the way for the bride to be with her groom. There is a lot of symbolism in the way we are told to wait for Christ and that we will not know when he will come for us. This is like the Jewish marriage where the groom would come for the bride and she would not know exactly when he would come for her. This is why we must be ready for the groom to come.

It follows along with him stating that he goes to prepare a place for us. This is part of the ritual wedding.

messianicfellowship.50webs.com...

Here read this. It will help explain it.

This fits in with the idea that the fulfillments of prophecy are on the feast days. There are seven. Seven is important. Four have been fulfilled: the three spring feasts and Pentecost. Three feasts are yet to come, and there are three major fulfillments left in Revelation concerning Christ.

According to this theory, the horsemen are not individuals, they are spirits of the four winds/spirit of iniquity. The first is the white horse or deception. It is the great falling away. The many false Christs and messiahs, even the idols of pop culture and politics, who come and lead people astray. We are warned over and over but how many have listened?

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: cavtrooper7

And it also might be Babylon, the Great Whore.

I think America's the woman that rides on the dragon. Woman being Lady liberty, riding on the dragon being our economy is reliant on china, a country which celebrates dragons.

originally posted by: galien8

originally posted by: Joshuabennone

Beast is a metaphor for three people, and is fulfilled prophecy. Was when written, so not a prophecy at all really.

It is a revelation. About then. Not today, which is painfully obvious.

OK I tend to believe that Revelations is of all time, because it has such strong archetypal symbolism, so it can always be explained in any time, 100 years from now, 1,000 years from now etc. (always in the present time that people then live in). And backwards in time.

You can think that. But it is not going to happen, it is a book, it has no magic power and is too obscure or encrypted to ever be proven right or wrong, open to any interpretation and is not, in reality, what you are saying it is.

It was written for 7 specific churches for specific reasons at a specific time and is about THAT time. In reality.

Prophecy comes true once if ever. If it has not, it will not, so as a book of prophecy it fails the standard of prophecy.

It is a revelation of the past to us, present to the 7 churches, and that is that.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
No he is a man.
NOT a bilical SEAL...
BESIDES ...we are on about SEAL 6, I would guess

AMERICA MIGHT be the LAND in the wilderness!

Didn't think of THAT did you?

I hope you are right.

originally posted by: anotherside

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: cavtrooper7

And it also might be Babylon, the Great Whore.

I think America's the woman that rides on the dragon. Woman being Lady liberty, riding on the dragon being our economy is reliant on china, a country which celebrates dragons.

The Woman is a church or religion. Most bible scholars believe this is either the revived Roman Catholic Church (inquisition style) or Islam... maybe even Chislam if the Pope can pull it off.

a reply to: infolurker

I would say this if TRUP goes fore co-dominus with RussiaTHERE this idea as a possibility or maybe Gog?

a reply to: cavtrooper7

Gog is most probably Turkey or Russia.

Revelations of the bible is mostly and clearly pointing to Planet X's passage and destruction..

Many here are familiar with the passage referring to the celestial alignment of Jupiter passing through Virgo. Being born some time from 9th of September to 23/9.

In case anyone isn't aware? I have nearly two years of documented observations and pics of Px and her moons, check my thread.

So just last night I have found out that there is now a black box obscuring an area in the Virgo constellation (on Google sky) where we roughly expect Jupiter to emerge, scripture says these objects will emerge together at this time. Please go and check google sky in this area, must be on infra red too.

a reply to: galien8

This God sure likes suffering carnage death and agony and the creepiest part are the followers call it Just Holy and Free Will

This is the chart I'm most fond of; might want to give it a perusal. It's Pre-Wrath (Mid Trib). I don't know how the picture will turn out and I couldn't get a thumbnail to show up so here's the image's direct link if it doesn't look right: files.abovetopsecret.com...


If you happen to be pre trib might I suggest: