UK : Fascist Bully Boys tasered 63 year old Man in the face for Not Giving His Name

originally posted by: CulturalResilience

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: CulturalResilience
A strict policy of recruiting from low end of the evolutionary scale goes along way to explaining it. reply to: Slickinfinity

The best part about comments like this is that law enforcement agencies tend to reflect, as far as average IQ levels, the general population they draw their officers from. For some reason this notion became a meme after the whole "don't have to hire somebody that's too smart" lawsuit. Yet people conveniently dismiss that average intelligence is average intelligence. Cops may be stupid I guess, but look what they have to hire from

On the other hand it could be that any smart person would not put that uniform on.

Could it? Why do you suppose the "too smart" guy was trying to be a cop then?

Guess it can't be said after all.

Taser to the face for not answering questions. We need a law like that here in the States. It would make press conferences, Congressional hearings, and Presidential debates watchable.

"Commisioner Gordon, since you took over the department there has been a 200% increase in police brutality complaints. Care to comment?"

"I have no comment at this time ..." TZZZZT

---

"Mr. Holder, how do you account for the fact that the guns used to shoot Border Agents can be traced directly to your Fast and Furious operation?"

"Well, I ..." TZZZZT

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"Governor Jones, how do you respond to allegations that your charitable foundation funneled money and weapons to terrorist groups?"

"I won't dignify that with a response!" TZZZZT

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"License and registration, please. Do you know why I pulled you over?"

"No, I don't know. Can I get your name, badge number, and home address?"

"I'm not giving you my home addr ..." TZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Dem0nc1eaner

A) chances are overwhelmingly against getting shot by a cop in the US for any reason, including "sticking up for your rights"

B) All of which is irrelevant to the fact that some folks in this thread seem to be pushing the idea that they should have just arrested him instead of asking him to identify himself but cool I guess? I'm not debating the parameters under which a cop in the UK can arrest somebody. I'm pointing out that more than one person in this thread has implied or outright said the cops should've just arrested him instead of trying to have a conversation.

A) But I'm sure the holstered gun helps encourage compliance, no? That's all I'm getting at, I would be far more likely to stand up for my rights, even if innocent, in the UK with an unarmed officer than I would in America with an armed one.

B) Yeah, I don't agree with that at all either, but I also don't think it's on the public to just give there personal information over, if they don't feel that they want to, under duress, whilst innocent.

Cops definitely in the wrong here and I'm sure any investigation will come to the same conclusion.

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: CulturalResilience

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: CulturalResilience
A strict policy of recruiting from low end of the evolutionary scale goes along way to explaining it. reply to: Slickinfinity

The best part about comments like this is that law enforcement agencies tend to reflect, as far as average IQ levels, the general population they draw their officers from. For some reason this notion became a meme after the whole "don't have to hire somebody that's too smart" lawsuit. Yet people conveniently dismiss that average intelligence is average intelligence. Cops may be stupid I guess, but look what they have to hire from

On the other hand it could be that any smart person would not put that uniform on.

Could it? Why do you suppose the "too smart" guy was trying to be a cop then?

Guess it can't be said after all.

Perhaps he wasn't too smart.

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: Dem0nc1eaner
To the Americans in the thread, this just simply isn't how it works in the UK. Many will withhold personal information from the police for know other reason than because they can. We have the right to not assist our PC's in harrassing us.

Should we pay their salaries AND do their jobs for them???

Pro-tip: in many states, you don't have to identify yourself here in the US either, except in certain circumstances. Much like it is in the UK.

The irony of all this is that some of you seem to be advancing the notion that if the cops wanted to ID this fella they shoulda just arrested him instead of asking him. That's both preposterous and hysterical.

Yes, then the dude could have sued for wrongful arrest. To taser the guy in the face may be fine in your book, but it isn't acceptable to many here in the U.K. Not all, as you can tell from this thread, but to most.

His rights have been violated and I suspect he will be financially compensated anyway.

As for the claim some are making here that they may have thought he was armed, is completely moot. If the Police suspected he was armed, they would have dispatched armed response.

This was a case of two officers dealing with a situation in completely the wrong way and they obviously need to attend additional training.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Cobaltic1978

So let's say this was the guy they were looking for.

Police "Can we have your name please"

Mr criminal "no"

Police " bye then"

Mr criminal "that was easy"

No, that's not what I am suggesting, stop putting words in my mouth.

They should have arrested him on suspicion of committing the crime in question, without the need to pull out the taser. As I said earlier, there are too many nervous nellies being allowed to carry these things legally.

Also, if this had not been filmed on a neighbour's phone, I am sure this would not have made the headlines. It would have been covered up, that I am sure of.

Ah right so they try to arrest him and he starts fighting with them, we know he has keys in his hands (potential weapon). The taser has already been deployed. How else could they have acted?

Why deploy a Taser on a gent of his age?

They may have thought he was armed? If I thought I was going to have to deal with anyone I thought may be armed, I wouldn't be relying on a taser as my defence.

Call in armed response is the answer, so I really don't believe they thought that he was armed in anyway.

a reply to: Cobaltic1978

Now now. No need to put words in my mouth, bub. I know you're upset, but that's not gonna get anywhere.

I've said from comment #1 in this thread as well as the other one about the same incident that I was surprised to see the lack of de-escalation from the officers involved. At no point have I said it was fine to use the Taser.

originally posted by: CulturalResilience

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: CulturalResilience

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: CulturalResilience
A strict policy of recruiting from low end of the evolutionary scale goes along way to explaining it. reply to: Slickinfinity

The best part about comments like this is that law enforcement agencies tend to reflect, as far as average IQ levels, the general population they draw their officers from. For some reason this notion became a meme after the whole "don't have to hire somebody that's too smart" lawsuit. Yet people conveniently dismiss that average intelligence is average intelligence. Cops may be stupid I guess, but look what they have to hire from

On the other hand it could be that any smart person would not put that uniform on.

Could it? Why do you suppose the "too smart" guy was trying to be a cop then?

Guess it can't be said after all.

Perhaps he wasn't too smart.

His testing would seem to indicate otherwise. It's okay man, I know you need to be able to spew your meme that cops are dumber than everybody else so this is all rather pointless. Ignore the facts that "average" means just that: average; continue to try to turn it back in to anybody with a badge is by default dumber than everybody else.

Whatever makes ya feel better.

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: CulturalResilience

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: CulturalResilience

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: CulturalResilience
A strict policy of recruiting from low end of the evolutionary scale goes along way to explaining it. reply to: Slickinfinity

The best part about comments like this is that law enforcement agencies tend to reflect, as far as average IQ levels, the general population they draw their officers from. For some reason this notion became a meme after the whole "don't have to hire somebody that's too smart" lawsuit. Yet people conveniently dismiss that average intelligence is average intelligence. Cops may be stupid I guess, but look what they have to hire from

On the other hand it could be that any smart person would not put that uniform on.

Could it? Why do you suppose the "too smart" guy was trying to be a cop then?

Guess it can't be said after all.

Perhaps he wasn't too smart.

His testing would seem to indicate otherwise. It's okay man, I know you need to be able to spew your meme that cops are dumber than everybody else so this is all rather pointless. Ignore the facts that "average" means just that: average; continue to try to turn it back in to anybody with a badge is by default dumber than everybody else.

Whatever makes ya feel better.

You may find the results of tests to be indicative of smarts, based on experience, I do not. I have met and worked alongside plenty of people with great test results, up to, and above degree level that are some of the most naïve and senseless people you could ever meet.

I have not allowed my feelings to enter into this discussion, the manner of your posting suggests the same could not be said about you

Kind regards.

a reply to: projectvxn

In England it's different.

a reply to: Cobaltic1978

I really thought we had moved on from this type of behaviour . . .

I couldn't agree more. This really is a blast from the past. Is she a country bumpkin lost in the big city?

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

There is no legal or lawful requirement to have such a thing as a 'name'. We're talking about a legal fiction here. They're convenient things to use but not a legal or lawful requirement to 'have'.

Truth is they belong to the private bankers anyway. The Registrar trades them for loans of fiat currency. It's actually fraud to claim you are the name. It's merely a trading convenience we're allowed to use, and not strictly for our own benefit.

a reply to: Shamrock6

De-escalation is one of the things I admire the British police for. This is an anomaly.

a reply to: Gothmog

He could have smiled and said 'I'm one of the founder members of that race relations outfit'. He could have said 'If you taser me your career is over'. He could have dropped the names of their 'superiors'. I'm not sure he gave them sufficient warning of the potential consequences.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Potential weapon in the hand of an ancient stoner who can hardly stand up.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

It isn't your name it's a legal fiction belonging to private bankers.

I must admit I've got a feeling he is the guy they're looking for and for years he's convinced everyone they're two different people.

a reply to: Dem0nc1eaner

But we can support them when we're able since they do every #ty job that no-one else will touch. Whenever nobody present can handle a situation they all shriek, "Call the police! Call the police!"

a reply to: crazyewok

It's not his name it's a legal fiction that has been traded to private bankers in exchange for loans of fiat currency. That's the big scam.

He could have given the legal fiction their records are listed under.

That's why we hang on to our guns in America. When cops become pigs they get shot. Not saying I like that because I certainly do not. But retaining dignity and honor sometimes mean making sacrifices so that tyranny and idiots with badges don't run roughshod over everyone.

a reply to: VictorVonDoom

Let's make it into a reality show. I'd be glued to the screen.