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originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
1) If some area of life is not objective, then that area of life cannot be said to progress.
2) Morality can progress
3) Therefore Morality is objective.
Claiming 'objectivity' is akin to "everyone does it", which didn't work for mommy and don't work for anyone capable of thought!
It is a pathetic attempt to distance you from the responsibility of your sin!
"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove the speck from your eye'; and look, a plank is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: DickBrisket
He does seem rather hostile for what I thought was a polite simple post asking people for their opinions.
originally posted by: DickBrisket
You have problems making friends. Don't you?
Didn't work for mommy? Does that mean she died giving birth to you or from an overdose? You seem angry.
a reply to: namelesss
originally posted by: LittleByLittle
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: DickBrisket
He does seem rather hostile for what I thought was a polite simple post asking people for their opinions.
I agree with both your starting post and this answer.
Do not let them bother you. Nameless does that to anyone who say one view is more correct than another and cannot handle that one view can be right and anyone else be wrong. Do not work well with logic or math.
Nameless have a long history of posting on the subject of objectivity/subjectivity and he do not accept that objectivity exist and instead invented that all subjective answers are equally true. We should tolerate that all views are equally true while at the same time not tolerate that all view cannot be equally true. Complete Cognitive dissonance.
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: namelesss
Claiming 'objectivity' is akin to "everyone does it", which didn't work for mommy and don't work for anyone capable of thought!
It is a pathetic attempt to distance you from the responsibility of your sin!
No that is no where near what most people mean when they say objectivity. Most people dont mean something everyone does or agrees to. What they mean is something that is a certain way independent of human opinion. For example, 2+2=4 independent of human opinion or the physical layout of Washington D.C.
What about speaking of an objectively good and bad values is an attempt to distance one from sin?
It isn't until one recognizes that there is a Moral Law that one can even understand the concept of sin, and why oneself would be classified as such.
originally posted by: namelesss
originally posted by: LittleByLittle
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: DickBrisket
He does seem rather hostile for what I thought was a polite simple post asking people for their opinions.
I agree with both your starting post and this answer.
Do not let them bother you. Nameless does that to anyone who say one view is more correct than another and cannot handle that one view can be right and anyone else be wrong. Do not work well with logic or math.
Nameless have a long history of posting on the subject of objectivity/subjectivity and he do not accept that objectivity exist and instead invented that all subjective answers are equally true. We should tolerate that all views are equally true while at the same time not tolerate that all view cannot be equally true. Complete Cognitive dissonance.
Is it safer for you to talk about me rather than offer what intellect that you might possess in furtherance of an argument or refutation?
When did I settle your hash that you need to ambush me?
How pathetic...
Typical example of so called 'objectivity', but not so! 2 + 2 ONLY equals 4 under very specific conditions! Under other conditions, 2+2 = other answers. For example, only in BASE TEN does 2+2=4! So, once again, it is up to unique Perspectives as to what is the 'locally correct' answer to what is 2+2?
Since you asked the question, I'll answer it (even you go on to answer it yourself; Saying that 'everyone does it' is an attempt to distance you from individual responsibility for your actions! Capisce'?
For anything to be 'objective' it would have to be the absolute totality of Universal Reality, and there is no eye that can see that, no individual unique Perspective that can ever perceive that!
Saying everyone is sins is honest.
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: namelesss
Typical example of so called 'objectivity', but not so! 2 + 2 ONLY equals 4 under very specific conditions! Under other conditions, 2+2 = other answers. For example, only in BASE TEN does 2+2=4! So, once again, it is up to unique Perspectives as to what is the 'locally correct' answer to what is 2+2?
It is a typical example because it is simple. This objection does nothing to show that mathematics is not objective. First, all bases start off with n^0 which gives you the ones place. So what base you are working in is irrelevant with a simple math problem involving two single digit numbers.
"Absolute totality of Universal Reality," there you go redefining what most people mean by objective. For something to be objective reality simply has to be that way independent of human opinion.
originally posted by: LittleByLittle
But I already know that logical direct communication with you is futile since you are more interested in arguing your view than listen to people who point out flaws in your ideas.
You have already made clear that to you all things are subjective so objectivity do not exists. And when a person view is that something do not exists it can never seek to understand it.