Injuries reported after shots were fired at Ft. Lauderdale Airport

originally posted by: Konduit
a reply to: 23432

We're actually not that far off from that Running Man CGI scene, the new Rogue One movie did a decent job with Carrie Fischer and Peter Cushing.

The Peter Cushing one was pretty good, the Carrie Fisher CGI model was a bit freaky looking.

originally posted by: Konduit
a reply to: 23432

We're actually not that far off from that Running Man CGI scene, the new Rogue One movie did a decent job with Carrie Fischer and Peter Cushing.

line between the truth and fiction is blurred so that the confusion prevails no matter what.

a reply to: grey580

True unless you were about to check in your bag at the desk. You can have a gun on your person whilst entering the airport. But you can not have a gun in the "sterile" areas of the airport. Which means you should not have a gun before you enter the security screening lines.

a reply to: Bedlam

the shooter was all kinds of screwed up.... www.dailymail.co.uk... l

went AWOL several times was investigated for child porn,history of mental illness, was being treated...tried to strangle his girlfroend, he was recently hospitalized for 2 weeks, an employee reported him to the FBI...


we went from one extreme where people were committed very easily to all these hospitals, total 360 where it is the total opposite and almost impossible to get someone commited....there needs to be a balance somewhere in between these 2 extremes

originally posted by: sputniksteve
a reply to: 23432

Thats funny, I had completely forgotten about that from The Running Man. God I loved that movie when I was a kid. So good.

originally posted by: research100
a reply to: Bedlam

the shooter was all kinds of screwed up.... www.dailymail.co.uk... l

went AWOL several times was investigated for child porn,history of mental illness, was being treated...tried to strangle his girlfroend, he was recently hospitalized for 2 weeks, an employee reported him to the FBI...


we went from one extreme where people were committed very easily to all these hospitals, total 360 where it is the total opposite and almost impossible to get someone commited....there needs to be a balance somewhere in between these 2 extremes

Most likely now he will spend his days in a facility for the criminally insane from now on. But typically if no crime is committed they don't hold people for very long.

I don't actually understand how he was even able to carry legally, with his history of mental illness and everything else.

a reply to: Realtruth

yes, how was he able with his history...they should be able to hold people longer....he will be in a hospital for the rest of his life

originally posted by: GiulXainx
a reply to: grey580

True unless you were about to check in your bag at the desk. You can have a gun on your person whilst entering the airport. But you can not have a gun in the "sterile" areas of the airport. Which means you should not have a gun before you enter the security screening lines.

This depends on the state. In Florida you're not allowed to carry on your person in the terminal at all. This may be why he chose to do the shooting in Florida. In Alaska, he would most likely have been shot by civilians since they are allowed to carry in the terminal there. I always did when picking people up from the airport when I lived there, and this is why.

This is where the whole "no mass shootings are stopped by armed civilians" myth comes from. Most mass shooters choose gun-free zones, and when they're not smart enough to do that it never escalates into a mass shooting. They get popped after they shoot one or two people.

Santiago was employed by Signal 88 Security
signal88.com...

Told his landlord he was from Puerto Rico.
www.ktuu.com...

a reply to: 23432

That's crazy. Not to get off topic but where are you getting these? Did you remember these scenes yourself or someone compile a list somewhere? Asking because Ibwould love to see more.

originally posted by: SuperStudChuck

originally posted by: dreamingawake
a reply to: dreamingawake
ETA:Almost forgot- Guessing he was returning(snapped /had a plan instead) to his recent address in Naples, FL:
source Though, DM and other sources are said to be wrong. Here's a more recent update:

"I was in shock because it's just so close by to Naples and even more surprised that he has family here," said Lea Cruz

NBC2

I live in Naples, and that fact very much intrigues me.

FWIW, even though it's further away than the local RSW airport, a lot of people in Naples fly into FLL. In fact, I regularly drive all the way to Orlando to pick up friends from the airport because flights can cost so much flying in locally vs Orlando, Tampa, Miami, Ft. Lauderdale, etc.


Here is another local Naples article stating investigators "descended" on an apartment and relatives of Santiago still live there:

www.abc-7.com...

Thanks for the info was wondering about how the Southwest side of the state dealt with going on flights(almost moved that way one time). Never lived in Naples or surrounding but lived in Ft. Laud., of course airports were no issue.

I assume Alaska airlines would have been cheaper than Delta, so with that guessing he wasn't worried about the price.

originally posted by: research100
....he will be in a hospital for the rest of his life

No way. These guys go to the Big House, not the Nut House. Even though they will invariably trot out the "he was nutso" theory of motivation, he will not be so nutso as to avoid prison. After all, you can eventually be released from the nut house(Bremmer, Hinckley) but you can be held indefinitely in The Can. And they are not going to risk allowing this guy to tell his version of events--EVER.

The Feds have already taken over the investigation, and this crime will be prosecuted in the Federal Courts. But that will be in year or two, after the suspect has been properly 'treated' in a psychiatric facility. Then he will be back, just BEGGING for the right to plead guilty. His lawyer has already been chosen, from a firm that specializes in these cases and have a 100% success rate in avoiding the death penalty in return for life in a concrete box at Supermax. No questions will be asked.

double post

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: GiulXainx
a reply to: grey580

True unless you were about to check in your bag at the desk. You can have a gun on your person whilst entering the airport. But you can not have a gun in the "sterile" areas of the airport. Which means you should not have a gun before you enter the security screening lines.

This depends on the state. In Florida you're not allowed to carry on your person in the terminal at all. This may be why he chose to do the shooting in Florida. In Alaska, he would most likely have been shot by civilians since they are allowed to carry in the terminal there. I always did when picking people up from the airport when I lived there, and this is why.

This is where the whole "no mass shootings are stopped by armed civilians" myth comes from. Most mass shooters choose gun-free zones, and when they're not smart enough to do that it never escalates into a mass shooting. They get popped after they shoot one or two people.

Yup may have been a supposed opportune choice for him or so how he may have thought it was. From past info(links defunct now and may want to check this out here www.dot.state.ak.us...) that firearms are restricted in the terminals or at least were(as discussed), with doubt that would have been changed as of late.

17 AAC 42.065. Firearms and prohibited weapons (a) A person may not carry a firearm or prohibited weapon in a department-operated terminal building or restricted area except in compliance with any other applicable law and

more here
The non secure areas of the airport may not be prohibited.

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MSM reporting on guns in luggage:

The TSA does not track the number of guns that passengers place in checked bags, but it is not a rare practice. Most airlines detail their gun-carrying policies on their websites. Santiago had flown out of Anchorage, Alaska. So many hunters from the Lower 48 visit Alaska that the state's Fish and Game Department also describes on its site how to travel with guns.

Source

www.miamiherald.com...

Victims released. Interestingly enough, according to the article, the 4 identified in the article were arriving in Ft. Lauderdale for a cruise. I know it's that time of year, and those that have ages and pictures given shows the common make-up of FL airports this time of year (senior citizens, generally retired).

The (dead) victims released were from Ohio, Virginia, Nebraska, and Georgia-- even with layovers, It's hard to imagine them all on the same flight, unless it had a layover in Atlanta. I wonder if they will release the flights each were on, but I thought I read yesterday that most of the victims were receiving bags from the same flight (as would make sense), though not necessarily the same flight as the shooter.

originally posted by: sputniksteve
a reply to: 23432

That's crazy. Not to get off topic but where are you getting these? Did you remember these scenes yourself or someone compile a list somewhere? Asking because Ibwould love to see more.

Holywood does tell the future it seems , doesn't it ?

I get them from google search .

quite interesting, another killing spree after medical treatment for mental illness.
wonder what they did to him as he was having visions and voices that told him to fight for ISIS.

originally posted by: Slave2theTruth
a reply to: grey580


"I wonder what the heck happened to spark the shooting."



Unfortunately, the longer the media goes without disclosing anything

From what I heard he was documented as hearing voices.

Can you imagine how terrifying that must be?

Especially, if you don't know that there is a branch of medicine that deals with this stuff, and that you don't know that there are medications specifically designed to treat disorders like this. And not the horror meds of the 1960's like Haldol.

It's all fun and games as long as its the other guy who gets to deal with it.

Wait until you are the one who has to deal with the terror and not know where to get help.

TMZ Now has a video of the shooter opening fire: www.tmz.com...

originally posted by: Miracula2
Can you imagine how terrifying that must be?

Used to have a neighbor with pretty bad paranoid schizophrenia. He was ok on meds but he kept adapting to them and they'd have to shift him around a lot.

He used to use me as a sounding board when they were starting not to work.

The conversations used to go something like this -

"Tom, I need to ask you some things"
"Ok"
"Can you...hear that?"
"What does it sound like?"
"There's a voice...and some sounds...coming from the sink drain"
(listen)
"I don't hear them. I know I'm not supposed to ask, but what do you hear?"
"It's some scratching sounds, and..and breathing. And there's this voice that's not right. Like a choir, only talking instead of singing. Lots of voices almost at once. And it says they're going to come for me tonight"
"Nope, I'm SURE not hearing that. Did you watch those bad movies again?"
"No"
"Take your meds?"
"Yep"
"Feel ok? Not running a fever, no cough, no belly aches?"
"No"
"Drinking or smoking dope again?"
"I swear"
"Are you seeing things to go with it?"
"Is there anything in the trees you see?"
"Squirrels. birds"
"Then yeah, I see people hiding in the woodline. It might be people. I can't tell"
"Ok, let's tell your mom and call the doc"

The things he heard were full-on Stephen King level. The visuals were pretty generic - generally ninjas for some reason - and he didn't have any problems ignoring them. But holy god, the auditory stuff would make MY neck hair go up.