Was Istanbul Night Club Massacre Perp One of the "Killer Elite"?

The perpetrator in this case was a very well trained and very cool professional, almost too cool to be "ISIL", in my opinion. Of course it is asserted often by alternate news sources that ISIL is just another way of spelling CIA (or Mossad), but in any case, reading the following underlined to me that in attacks of this sort, I don't think we really know what we are dealing with.

www.hurriyetdailynews.com...

According to specialists who examined the footage, the ISIL militant looks professionally trained on how to use the weapon. He can be seen wearing a green shirt, a dark pair of trousers and black boots, firing his long-barreled weapon at people’s upper bodies. Over the course of the attack he changed six chargers and fired over 180 bullets, according to investigations.

It is still unclear how many minutes the attacker spent inside the club before fleeing. He went upstairs after entering Reina and started firing on revelers, before going downstairs to continue shooting. According to witnesses, he also shot people lying on the ground in their head.

He then went to the kitchen of Reina and stayed there for around 13 minutes before changing his clothes, taking off his coat, and escaping from the scene amid continued panic. He also cleaned his weapon before leaving the scene.

He then got in a cab and got out in nearby Kuruçeşme after telling the driver he had no money to pay.

a reply to: ipsedixit

yes Ipse but we need to wait for the picked name They chose to present
'names' are a crucial part of these Rituals

I am having some doubt about the change of clothes aspect. The footage of him entering the place shows him all in black with boots on, didn't see any obvious bag for carrying a change of clothes. He is then shown as being all in white or light grey and still wearing boots. The pants of both outfits are fitted, not baggy, so he would have had to take his boots off first, get changed, and put them back on, all of which leaves him in a very vulnerable state, should any security arrive. Was the kitchen unoccupied? Did he kill all the kitchen staff first? Did he have a bag for leaving, or did he leave the black clothes, complete with ID in the pocket along with his wallet for the police to find? Was he wearing two sets of clothes, the black being Velcro fastened down the seams for quick removal, but making the whole outfit a bit bulky and restricted for the first part of the mission? We're the jacket and pants fully reversible, which might explain the lack of a bag? Though he would still be vulnerable as he took off boots and turned everything inside out and put his boots back on. If that was the case, it sure sounds pretty professional (007 style) rather than vagabond ISIL, to me.

ETA. I notice the picture shows his face, don't these guys usually have their face covered? Didn't he have his face covered when wearing the white outfit? Why bother at that stage if everyone incl the cameras have already seen your face? Also I don't see any white edge on the inner collar of the jacket, so doubt it was a reversible one.

I thought the gunmen was the bloke being interviewed while being placed into the back of the ambulance we've seen all over the news.

Perfect get away, play a victim

a reply to: ipsedixit
Perhaps he was trained in ISIS headquarters: Langley, Virginia.

a reply to: ipsedixit

I would not doubt if this were the case.

a reply to: ipsedixit

Why is he "too cool" to be ISIL? You think that they can't be trained by ISIL, or that someone who might have previous training could join ISIL?

Or is that too easy?

a reply to: seagull

Anything is possible, but probability comes into it too. It's possible that it is just a Delta Force guy on a packaged vacation to Turkey, who wanted to raise a little hell. It's possible.

From what we have been able to learn, ISIL is getting mainly two types of people, jihadis from formerly anti-jihadi places like Libya, and Burqa Bimbos and their boyfriends from places like Bradford, UK. The probability of well trained professional killers coming from either place are not as high as from a Jordanian located, CIA run training camp, and even there, not as high as from right out of the employee's entrance at some intelligence agency zombie factory.

a reply to: ipsedixit

You guys are forgetting the current craze.

He HAS to be Russian.

Doesn't look like Santa to me

What I find weird is he murdered so many people yet he let the taxi driver go because he couldn't pay!!!!!

originally posted by: calwoodbutcher
a reply to: ipsedixit

You guys are forgetting the current craze.

He HAS to be Russian.

remember the Atlanta shooting ?
of which that supposed black guy cough posted 1 day before on FB his middle-name, sethep ?

sethep = the name of the bark of egyptian Amenhetep ;
sethep meaning literally "fine choices of meat of slaughtered adamite"
[the s being from adamite]

sure --- a supposed boy From Da Hood 'picks a name like that'

trust me -
90% of the "terrorist attacks" in the past decade
is devised by Canaan.

to fk YOU up.

the most unusual thing about this is that the suspect didn`t leave his passport or some other form of I.D. at the scene, isn`t that what they always do now?
here we have a situation in which the suspect did what criminals have always tried to do commit a crime and get away without being identified or caught.
for you younger readers this is the way real crimes have always happened pre 9/11, all this post 9/11 BS where the suspect leaves behind I.D. is just to unbelievable to even take seriously.

a reply to: Tardacus

I'm not sure if that's accurate. I thought I saw a reference in one of the French papers that the authorities have spoken to relatives of his. He may have left ID in the clothes he left in the night club kitchen. I think they know who he is but haven't released the ID.

According to this, they have spoken to his wife:

www.hurriyetdailynews.com...

According to the investigation, the attacker arrived in Konya with his wife and two children and hired a house there. His family members, whose identities remain hidden, have been detained by police.

“I learned about the attack from the TV. I didn’t know that my husband was an ISIL militant, let alone a sympathizer,” his wife reportedly said in her testimony.

Meanwhile, new details continue to emerge regarding the attack, with daily Habertürk releasing new footage of how the attacker arrived at the scene. In the footage he can be seen with his backpack and a cigarette while getting into a taxi at 11:58 p.m. from the Zeytinburnu district of Istanbul to head to Reina.

According to Turkish media reports, the attacker used a stun grenade while shooting at people. It has also been determined that he attached chargers to his weapon in order to shoot faster. Around 120 of the 180 bullets used were reportedly found inside the DJ cabin.

The authorities are evaluating how the attacker knew all of Reina’s exits, including the three secret doors known only by the personnel working there. He also knew that the guards of the nightclub were not carrying guns and that weapons were not allowed inside the club.

He did not enter the bathroom at any point as it was far from the entrance and he did not enter the kitchen when he was shooting because he was planning to hide there later on, Habertürk also reported, citing the investigation.

The attacker reportedly had no trouble escaping from the scene and the authorities are evaluating whether he received any help from the inside.

Club Reina had 50 armed bodyguards and 400 cctv cameras inside .

Opposite the Club there is a police sitation and due to new year security concerns ALL cars had to go thru 3 check points to reach the location of the Club .

The murderer is swimming with the fishes in the Aegean already .

a reply to: ipsedixit

Something interested me about this report.

For a fellow who has never fired one, I have a fairly decent understanding of the workings of, and equipment often attached to or used as part of firearms. From suppressor technology to sighting systems, lights, under slung grenade launchers and even shotgun attachments, I have read up on, and watched a considerable amount of video on the subject of firearms generally, but I have no idea what is being referred to by the mention of a charger or chargers being equipped, to make the gun faster.

Any idea what that is all about?

In answer to the general premise of the OP, as to whether or not this individual is part of some "Killer elite", I have to say that I find it strange that the suggestion is being made at all. Look at the targeted group. Revelers. Party goers. Elite operatives, professional killers are those who are sent to work against targets which cannot be assaulted by anything less than the best. Armed cartels, terror groups, governments and military groups represent the sort of target, against which one would deploy professional, elite killers and assassins. One does not use a professional to do a mass casualty hit on unarmed, unaware, and largely undefended targets, such as a New Years bash, not unless some of the party goers are also specific, high value targets. If the target is soft, then it is only necessary to send a useful idiot to kill the target or targets.

This person may have gotten away clean, and may have been mechanical in his approach to the situation he created, but it cannot be said that his conduct suggests that he is anything particularly special. It does not take the skill set of a professional assassin to murder countless unarmed civilians and escape with ones liberty. It takes luck and a total abandonment of morality, and that is all.

a reply to: TrueBrit

On the subject of chargers, they are referring to magazines or "clips". I think they mean the guy had taped magazines together to make it quicker to change them.

On the subject of the perp's skill level, there have been several testimonies on the part of Turkish police and political figures as to the "professional" nature of the attack. The Prime Minister goes so far as to suspect foreign intelligence service involvement:

www.hurriyetdailynews.com...

Deputy Prime Minister Numan Kurtulmuş has suggested that “foreign intelligence services” could be behind the attack that claimed 39 lives at Istanbul’s Reina nightclub on New Year’s Eve, considering how “professionally” the attack was carried out.

“I am of the opinion that it’s not possible for the perpetrator to have carried out such an attack without any support. It seems like a secret service thing. All these things are being assessed,” Kurtulmuş told the Hürriyet Daily News on Jan. 4.

He declined to go into details about which secret services he was referring to.

People familiar with Sibel Edmunds' discussions of CIA/Gulenist networks in the "Stans" will know which intelligence service is probably on his mind.

There is more on the Reina night club assault here, including that the perpetrator(s) was Uighur, from western China, and that there might have been two attackers:

www.hurriyetdailynews.com...

Intelligence experts have investigated footage of the attack and have been considering indications that two militants might have attacked the nightclub, daily Karar reported on Jan. 5.

According to footage obtained from Zeytinburnu district in which an ISIL militant is seen leaving for Ortaköy to conduct the attack in the early hours of the new year, the assailant is seen wearing light-colored trousers with pockets. However, the assailant is seen wearing dark-colored and skinny trousers when entering the nightclub to stage the attack.

In a third piece of footage taken inside Reina, the assailant is again seen wearing light-colored trousers with pockets. Subsequent footage taken from a nearby security camera shows the attacker escaping from the scene wearing the same dark-colored and skinny trousers.

a reply to: ipsedixit

I very much doubt that clips were involved, unless they are talking about stripper clips, but one would ordinarily associate those with an old bolt action rifle, not a semi auto, or automatic firearm, normally fed from a box magazine of some kind.

I have never heard two mags being taped together, referred to as a charger before! I wonder where the term originated? And as for the assertions of the Turkish authorities, it would not be unusual for them to suggest intelligence involvement in this crime, especially since the events which saw the ambassador shot recently. These things can all take on a related appearance in such heightened states of concern.

However, I maintain that it is highly unlikely that a professional killer would be sent to do the work of a mindless and expendable terrorist. As assets go, these individuals are prized, and retained to do work far more dangerous than murdering scores of unarmed persons.

a reply to: TrueBrit

When I kill people, it's always pillow smothered with a silk stocking left under the bed to throw off the authorities. I was actually at one of my own crime scenes with a detective once and he sneered at me knowingly, "This is obviously the work of a high class call girl. Notice how his face has been painted with a lipstick heart on the forehead."

I said, "You know, I think you're right."