Untaught History- Christians forced entire nations to convert at the point of a sword

originally posted by: TerriblePhoenix
a reply to: Raggedyman

The True Church is in Golgotha.

Is there a building in the hill of Golgotha? If so then it is just a building. A building is not the church.Do you know what a church is?

a reply to: CB328
The truth about Christianity is something many don't want to hear.... the fact is Only one religion has a holy book that foretold empires hundreds to 1housands of years before they existed!!! naming even individual kings by name!!!
The bible simply does what no other book can. Sadly, the bible says there is only 1 remnant church(church that teaches what Christ/apostles taught). The focus of many verses of the new testament, Daniel and revelation was the "christian" power that would rise up at the fall of the roman empire, rule for 1260 years, be cut down by the sword(by the way the word of God is a 2 edged sword... the antichrist power was cut down by this sword during the reformation)... we are also told this power(called the harlot) would sit on the city of 7 mountains, work with world leaders to divide the world into 10 kingdoms(revelation 17... the 10 kingdoms are the european union, north american union, south american union, african union, mediterranean union, asian union....you get the point, the 10 kingoms are listied in a 1969 club of rome document) and lastly this power would persicute Gods real church.

History of the Rise and Influence of the Spirit of Rationalism in Europe, Vol. 2: “That the Church of Rome has shed more innocent blood than any other institution that has ever existed among mankind will be questioned by no Protestant who has a complete knowledge of history.” Some historians estimate that over 50 million lives (mostly Christians from Christ’s true Church), were taken by this so-called “holy” Inquisition to which they have never apologized. Throughout recorded history, no organization on the face of the planet has hunted down and killed more Christians than the Roman Catholic Church. The Woman is Drunken With Blood--at the instigation of her popes, Rome has shed rivers of blood of Christians who would not bow down to the Pope and Roman Catholic heresies and blasphemies--the martyrs of Jesus Former Roman Catholic priest Bernard Fresenborg in his book Thirty Years in Hell puts it at a higher number-- Authentic history, and history that cannot be denied nor disputed, nor even questioned, gives the appalling record of 70,500,000 Protestants who were slain by the greatest curse the world has ever known--Roman Catholicism.

Sadly this persicution of the dark ages was just the beginning!!!

As a former devout catholic/ alter boy... ill tell you what the conspiracy is!!! Every move the catholic church has made in the last 500 years since the reformation began, has been to regain the power and authority over humanity they lost due to the bible being printed. I personally can say that on sundays in between Masses, the head priest occasionally got on the topic of politics/religion with the subordinate priest. It was talked about as fact that one day the catholic church would rise up and overthow not only our country, but the entire world..... the belief is to build "christs kingdom" here on earth... under the rule of the pope who sits on earth crowned with a triple crown(claiming to be king of kings over heaven, earth and hell)!!!!

Anyone can look this up!!!! its catholic theology which they have not renounced, but just simply they have not pushed this teaching as it would go against their ecumenical movement they started with vatican II. This movement was to lay aside the sword publicly and subvert the protestant teachings from the inside and slowly destroy/bring Protestantism back into the catholic church. The inquisition however NEVER ended.... if you dig into the wars of modern times, you will ALWAYS find the catholic church involved....

For those who think the inquisition ever ended...
www.newsweek.com...
the catholic church was caught using its schools and colleges to raise a generation that killed and caused the genocide of an entire people in rwanda!!! proteatanst outnumbered catholics by far in this country before the genocide.... but of course not after...

This is just one of hundreds of modern examples of the continuing inquisition happening right under your noses...

Back before WWII, the Ustase or croatian movement was all about creating a catholic state... all non-catholics were killed by HAND BY THE PRIESTS!!!!! Your only choice given was to convert or die!!!!
look it up, its historic fact, but no chance you will read about this in any high school/college history text book even though it happened aobut 80 years ago.

Communist countries are an attempt to end competition in religions.... the catholic church made sure they are the offical christian religion of china!!! yes this is THEIR OWN ADMISSION, when you hear about the home churchs being jailed, know the inquisition is continuing.....

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The really scary part of the Rwandan genocide, the US is 20 years into the same "education" program that the catholic church ran there that began the genocide!!! anyone notice violent, leftist college age kids voting for socialists? There is an entire social gap between the beliefs of the "greatest generation" and the kids of today.... this education program is by design.... one generation will eventually rise up and kill the other..... this is how you continue the inquisition without getting your hands dirty.... you use the school system to do your dirty work..(by the way who runs the largest private school system in the country? and what religion are the folks who have been running the public school system? Also, are not a majority of the ivy league schools also catholic?


But the absolute mind blowing conspiracy here is the fact the Catholic Church is NOT A CHRISTIAN CHURCH!!!! it never has been!!!!

83% of catholic teachings do not come from the bible!!!! The 83% is arrived at by opening the catechism and simply taking note when a teaching has a bible verse to back it up.... These teachings that do not come from the bible are considered "tradition" that was passed on from Christ and his disciples. After growing up in this church, i set out to find out why this murderious church changed so much from judaism.... After all, the bible is a jewish book, written by jewish prophets, about a jewish messiah, who;s apostles were all jews... and those that are saved are all jews(spiritual jews.... it was never about race but was all about teachings and culture).

While most people believe paganism came first and Christianity borrowed from it, i found this to be a completely false!!!
There are undeniable evidences that the true religion of God existed all the way back, but false religion which has always been more popular... has waged a war against the true religion.... i could spend hours on this topic alone, but will focus on what happened to chrisitanity after the apostles died off....

In acts chapter 8, the apostle simon peter baptized a Samaritan who was also named simon(magus, or the magician). this man tried to buy apostelship as he saw a real power here that his "magic" couldnt compete agains. when he was rebuked by the apostle peter, he turned away from christianity. what he did next should make every roman catholic shutter.
Simon the magician went to rome in 45AD. which is the exact year the apostle simon peter suppodedly went to rome and set up the catholic church!!!! however archaeology confirmed that simon peter died in jerusalam!

ya know, if I am remembering my history right, is wasn't just the catholics that were demanding adherance to their doctrines. in those countries that accepted the protestant religion, there was often times similar laws.

The religious persecution that drove settlers from Europe to the British North American colonies sprang from the conviction, held by Protestants and Catholics alike, that uniformity of religion must exist in any given society. This conviction rested on the belief that there was one true religion and that it was the duty of the civil authorities to impose it, forcibly if necessary, in the interest of saving the souls of all citizens. Nonconformists could expect no mercy and might be executed as heretics. The dominance of the concept, denounced by Roger Williams as "inforced uniformity of religion," meant majority religious groups who controlled political power punished dissenters in their midst. In some areas Catholics persecuted Protestants, in others Protestants persecuted Catholics, and in still others Catholics and Protestants persecuted wayward coreligionists. Although England renounced religious persecution in 1689, it persisted on the European continent. Religious persecution, as observers in every century have commented, is often bloody and implacable and is remembered and resented for generations.

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heck, in some countries there are probably still some amount of persecution going on between the two branches of the same religion.

a reply to: CB328

It think that perhaps it is worth pointing out that when Pepin, Charlemagne's dad (I think), began the mass conversion of his subjects and conquests by the sword, and by destroying their sacred places, he did so against the then church and his converters. The correspondence from the church demonstrate that they had no idea that Pepe would react to conversion the way that he did, and it was beyond their control to stop him. They repeatedly attempted to censure him but it was decided further up that the ends that Pepin promised justified the means, and that, as they say, was the beginning of a 'beautiful' friendship...

a reply to: CB328

-continuation from above-

According to early church historian Justin Marter, Simon magus went to rome in 45AD, the entire city of rome gave heed to him worshiping him as God on earth!!( this is also recorded in Acts) being worshiped as a God means the romans most likely tacked Petr onto his name.... as they did this for all chief gods... this means he was called simon petr.... which is pronounced simon peter....
it isnt a far stretch to assume he also said he was cheif of the apostles... and since he was baptized christian... claimed this also. Justin marter records that this man created a pagan/christan religious mix!!! and he called it the UNIVERSAL church... why is this important? in the 1st century, greek was the dominant language still.... the greek for for universal is CATHOLIC!!!!!! this man created the catholic church!!!!
justing records that he was worshiped with the statue of jupiter!!! this statue by the way still stits in St. peters in rome today!!!

historical.benabraham.com...

this new religion incorperated the Babylonian dress

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compare the dress of these pagans with papal dress
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sorry, but no one will ever convince me that the pope's outfit was passed on by jesus and the apostles.....

If you dig into this as there are many things to consider, you will find that the holidays we celebrate today are the pagan holidays, the cerimonies are pagan, heck even the day of worship... (sunday is the day of the sun god.... God of the bible set up saturday as the holy sabbath... and in Daniel 7 even fortells the "little kingdom" that rose out of the fallen roman empire would one day think to change his times and law.... the sabbath is the only commandment that is both a time and law

This false church was in existance in the days of the apostles.... this is why there are several references to the antichrist doing his work in their day!
Paul tells us in the most complete manner about the antichrist, but called him the "man of sin" in 2nd thessalonians. In this chapter, paul warns the man of sin was alroeady beginning his work... would rise up and take his seat in the temple of God, showing himseld that he is God and above all that is God, when a restrainer is taken out of the way.... this restrainer paul said he told the thessalonians what it was "when he was with them".... from here all we have to do is go to church histroy and see what paul told them!! The restrainer was Pagan rome... so when pagan rome was taken out of the way, it would give its seat and authority to this antichrist power called the man of sin.... who would rise up at this time and take its seat in the church....

this is exactly what happended!!!!

Rome collapsed, During the final battles, the bishop of rome who had some political sway was called out... killed and replaced by Pope Vigilius.... the first bishop of rome who called himself POPE!!! he was given the armies of rome and made corrector of heretics!! this was the onset of the dark ages, and countless millions were killed, being told to convert or die....

The part most people get wrong about history is they claim Christianity was victorious over paganism in the 4/5th century..

the truth is Pope Vigilius was an adherant to the false christianity of simon magus, which was paganism veiled as christianity.. it took over 1000 years to get all the dogmas accepted by christians all over the world but with the bible withheld , they finally were victorious.

This is why you have secret societies today.... all with 33 degrees... only those at the top know they worship paganism/the devil !!! those in the lower ranks worship the true God but do not really know what the bible is really about, and will never move up into the upper levels unless they accept the false god the devil...

a reply to: teddyvetter

Simon magus died in front of Christs followers when he was levitating high in the air claiming to be christ or the like...
Then when Christs followers began to pray he fell to his death...

a reply to: Anaana

Yes, protestanst who broke away from the catholic church but still raised on its principals did persecute.... in fact it took hundreds of years of reformation to shake away most of the false traditions the catholic church instilled into christianity....

The fact of the matter is, the christians who persecuted did not act according to the teachings of Christ.. in fact, God will pour out the 7 last plagues on the harlot church and her daughters for all the horrible things they did.... this is a warning to christians God has left for the last days.... it does matter what church you belong to, and you had better make sure your church is properly teaching both the old and new testament....

a reply to: TrueBrit

Or... you know, the last twenty years of Western interference in the affairs of the Middle East, the setting up of proxy armies (terror networks) by the CIA and other international partners, including the British intelligence services, which spawned a situation so severe that entire nations have been toppled, leaders dethroned and murdered, and MILLIONS of people have been blown apart in wars for profit, by soldiery who did what they did for God and country, to "protect their way of life" from organisations which would have no power without the involvement of our own intelligence agencies... Thats a pretty big, recent activity that kind of places things in perspective.

Thing is, you can't peg that on Christianity. If that was reason, we would all have gone in with Christian missionaries taking a conversion approach. Instead, we went in with a secular one. As has so often been pointed about Western governments lately -- separation of church and state -- and Western nations take great pride in that. Those last 20 years have been based largely on secular reasons ("No Blood for Oil" or WMD and things like that).

Not one of them would have flown if any of the leaders had called a religious crusade.

originally posted by: 5StarOracle
a reply to: teddyvetter

Simon magus died in front of Christs followers when he was levitating high in the air claiming to be christ or the like...
Then when Christs followers began to pray he fell to his death...

where are you quoting this from? The catholic church who wants to bury the facts about simon magus was the only source ive seen... but since peter the apostle NEVER went to rome, and simon magus died BEFORE paul even went to rome in 60ad, The claim that their prayers casued him to fall are false....

Every historical source i've read put him in rome at 45d, He set up universal church which was a mixure of all pagan religions but adhered heavily on Babylonian mysteries. was worshiped with the statue of jupiter, and even in 160 AD this worship was continuing as justin marter was asking authorities to tear down one of his statues!!!! simon magus died of old age, wealthy, and popular.... he was buried in the most holy of pagan burial grounds.... which is Vatican hill today....

a reply to: CB328
The so-called "Christians" you speak of were Pagans pretending to be Christians, with guys like Emperor Constantine at the head of the pack (and another Roman Emperor arranging a legal structure for this persecution, torture and forced conversion; Clovis was involved as well).
Here's the real reason (note that the atheist professor in the video below also erronuously conflates Trinitarian apologetics and Trinitarians with Christian apologetics and Christians in the same manner you just did; next to that there is his attempt to make it appear that the bible is not entirely clear on the subject of the Trinity, among a few other minor caveats I have with the video):



The Baptism of Clovis—1,500 Years of Catholicism in France

originally posted by: dawnstar


heck, in some countries there are probably still some amount of persecution going on between the two branches of the same religion.

It is not just in some countries. It is everywhere. This war has never ended and it is thee one true conflict that his hidden within many layers of falshoods and propaganda. But the conflict I will say is at an all time high.

There are reasons why they both persecuted one another. But that is mostly the catholics church's fault because their quest is mostly in search of Global domination. While protestants simply wants to be left alone. The jesuits have a history of trying to undermine nations through economics and political (Federal Reserve Bank and Left wing Propaganda).

These people whether you like it or not have infiltrated every single aspect of our lives. They claim to be Christians, but they are not Christians. They are the Synagogue of Satan. The wolves in sheeps clothing and their history is proof of that. This is the main reason why the OP is wrong. The Jesuits in essence have nothing to do with True Christianity. And this is why this war has continued on till this day.

Ask yourself why is Jesuit Francis Praising Mary while comparing Jesus with a terrorist group called ISIS and at the same time calling for an end to Protestantism?

Pope Francis calls for end of Protestant Church
Pope Francis likened Jesus Christ to ISIS
Pope Francis suggests "Christians without Mary are Orphans"


Historical Origins Of The Jesuit Order. The Diabolical Society Of Jesus & Knights Of Malta Exposed!


But If you want to know the real reason why Protestants and Catholics are at War See Below:
Main Reason Catholic's is at War against Protestantism



Protestants stick with Actual Scriptures.

John 14 King James Bible
The Way, the Truth, and the Life
5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Protestantism Know NOT to worship the queen of heaven. (but the Catholics do it anyways. The worship of the goddess is basically pagan traditions, which automatically turns the catholic's into a Pagan CULT. It is not the essence of Christianity at all.)

See what the true translation says about the queen of heaven:

Jeremiah 7:18 King James Bible "The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger."

Proverbs 7 Gives us the Warning

Proverbs 7King James Version (KJV)
Warning Against the Adulturous Woman (Worship of Queen of Heaven)
7 My son, keep my words, and lay up my commandments with thee.

2 Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye.

3 Bind them upon thy fingers, write them upon the table of thine heart.

4 Say unto wisdom, Thou art my sister; and call understanding thy kinswoman:

5 That they may keep thee from the strange woman, from the stranger which flattereth with her words.

6 For at the window of my house I looked through my casement,

7 And beheld among the simple ones, I discerned among the youths, a young man void of understanding,

8 Passing through the street near her corner; and he went the way to her house,

9 In the twilight, in the evening, in the black and dark night:

10 And, behold, there met him a woman with the attire of an harlot, and subtil of heart.

11 (She is loud and stubborn; her feet abide not in her house:

12 Now is she without, now in the streets, and lieth in wait at every corner.)

13 So she caught him, and kissed him, and with an impudent face said unto him,

14 I have peace offerings with me; this day have I payed my vows.

15 Therefore came I forth to meet thee, diligently to seek thy face, and I have found thee.

16 I have decked my bed with coverings of tapestry, with carved works, with fine linen of Egypt.

17 I have perfumed my bed with myrrh, aloes, and cinnamon.

18 Come, let us take our fill of love until the morning: let us solace ourselves with loves.

19 For the goodman is not at home, he is gone a long journey:

20 He hath taken a bag of money with him, and will come home at the day appointed.

21 With her much fair speech she caused him to yield, with the flattering of her lips she forced him.

22 He goeth after her straightway, as an ox goeth to the slaughter, or as a fool to the correction of the stocks;

23 Till a dart strike through his liver; as a bird hasteth to the snare, and knoweth not that it is for his life.

24 Hearken unto me now therefore, O ye children, and attend to the words of my mouth.

25 Let not thine heart decline to her ways, go not astray in her paths.

26 For she hath cast down many wounded: yea, many strong men have been slain by her.

27 Her house is the way to hell, going down to the chambers of death

The Catholics have NOTHING to do with Christianity. As a protestant myself, I am a witness against the catholic cult. Who's throne at the vatican (saint peter's throne) is basically the baphomet/ female genitalia.

The Key to the Kingdom of Heaven (Eye of discernment- Important knowledge below)

Isaiah 29 :15-16 King James bible
15Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us?

16Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

Now you know where Mystery Babylon is. Rome.

a reply to: whereislogic

and... among the peasants and soldiers, there were none that believe in the basic doctrine of salvation and believed that they were christians? that were christians, just caught up in the frenzy, misled by the leaders, fearful that if they didn't go along, they would be the next to burn??
To me, it seems that the lesson this part of history teaches us isn't that religious belief is harmful, but rather the churches shouldn't be so closely entwined with the governmental rulers of the people. as long as the churches had a hold, the final say as to how those rulers governed, we'd still be stuck in this routine of silencing anyone who dared think outside of the box or decide to have beliefs that didn't jive. growth and understanding didn't flourish till that bond was weakened. and peaces was difficult to achieve...

so, I have to ask, who is it that is working so hard to get the gov't to reestablish that bond? and yes, I do believe there is some who are. and I do believe that they are the ones who are pointing to this branch or that branch of the christian religion proclaiming that they are wrong.



lol... watch the video... what a wonderful testament to christianity is shows..

All three Abrahamic religions bear the cancer of duality separation. Paul is worse than Yeshua but some things Yeshua have told to be said in the bible do not measure up when weighed on the logical scales. Where Yeshuas mistakes are hard to find Paul:s are easier. Muhammad is even more insane. Judaism is also insane.

The blind ones leading the blind instead of the blessed ones.

Back to the OP.

The history of Christianity is actually well told. The conflict between the different denominations e.g. Catholics and Protestants is also well told. However, contrary to the general gist of the OP, Christianity was not spread "at the point of a sword". Clearly there was conflict and mayhem, but the early Christianity absorbed some Pagan beliefs and practices as a tool of conversion, plus added order to the governing of increasingly larger areas.

It is convenient to pick and choose parts of history to prove a point, but that is often to simplistic. For example, the Crusades were an attempt to wrest control of Jerusalem and the Holy Lands from Islamic control, noting that Islam had previously taken control of these areas through bloody conquest.

a reply to: teddyvetter

Sorry I think we have our time periods mixed up, I was talking about Pepin and Charlemagne, eighth century, a good 700 years before protestant 'reformations'.

originally posted by: LittleByLittle
All three Abrahamic religions bear the cancer of duality separation. Paul is worse than Yeshua but some things Yeshua have told to be said in the bible do not measure up when weighed on the logical scales. Where Yeshuas mistakes are hard to find Paul:s are easier. Muhammad is even more insane. Judaism is also insane.

The blind ones leading the blind instead of the blessed ones.

You have a hostile feeling towards religion, huh?


Most religious people, Abrahamic or not, are perfectly respectable and normal people.

Muhammad was not bad, the Jews and Jesus are not bad.

I will concede Paul is bad, and the Old Testament disturbing.

But not that religions are, they are thoughts and words to guide you through life if religion is what you want.

Nothing is perfect, religion and atheism have flaws and drawbacks both.

a reply to: JustTheFacts

Oh and us invading their countries as a Christian nation doesn't count? Afghanistan was justified if you believe 9/11 wasnt a false flag, but Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, how is that justified? We have completely destabilized those countries for oil in the name of our imaginary friend, it's disgusting.

a reply to: SoulSurfer

A Protestant owes his religion to Rome, if they are evil the Bible is not trustworthy because they controlled it for a VERY long time and assembled, edited it to its current fourth century form.

No Catholicism no Protestants, they wouldn't even exist and you would have no Bible, because without state sponsorship they were a myriad of sects all with different scripture and everything would be different if Christianity even survived.

So many religions did not survive because of Rome, you couldn't trust them then any more than now but less most likely.

originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck

originally posted by: TerriblePhoenix
a reply to: Raggedyman

The True Church is in Golgotha.

Is there a building in the hill of Golgotha? If so then it is just a building. A building is not the church.Do you know what a church is?

Golgotha means "place of the skull."

Meaning in the mind. The only place the Gospels events actually happened.

does anyone here believe that their understanding of the spiritual side of man is so perfect that they are entitled to separate the wheat from the chaft? I believe that the bible says to wait till the harvest, lest you pull some of the wheat by mistake doesn't it.. and hate to tell you this, but it is you that will either be harvested or thrown into the fire, you won't be doing the harvesting.

you have no business deciding who is right or who is wrong for others, it's a decision that only they themselves can make. let them grow, and have faith in your god that if their heart is true, he will lead them to where he wants them to be..