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originally posted by: loNeNLI
originally posted by: TerriblePhoenix
originally posted by: loNeNLI
originally posted by: TerriblePhoenix
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: TerriblePhoenix
a reply to: Raggedyman
You don't have to have a creed.
You believe it's true regardless.
That was my point, simply.
Cool, I am glad you understand
Cheers
Yes, I understand. It's not much my concern the type of spirituality you engage in.
I simply wanted to point out that the lying manipulators gave you the religion and Bible you have which would not exist as is without the intervention of Roman Theocracy and that wonderful man Constantine!
Rome was a haven of tolerance for any religion as long as you paid lip service to the Emporer you could do as you pleased, and they flourished.
Theocracy turned them into heresy hunters and cost millions their lives inspired by the Bible and it's concept of religious superiority to justify untold horrors because Joshua conquered Canaan for Yahweh or some other excuse based on a story in the Bible.
You should at least thank them for giving you the Bible though, lying and manipulating is still the function of Christianity so are we any better because we are not Catholic?
Rotten tree, rotten fruit.
"and cost millions their lives inspired by the Bible"
- and you started Off so well.
If you fail to see that 'catholicism' is a mimick-christianity,
started by Constantine who was a pagan and his mother a witch who spiritually ruled him,
under motto "if you cant beat 'em join 'em" ,
then why make a comment, alltogether...?
What on earth gives you the impression that:
A. I didn't know Catholicism had pagan roots?
B. I am incorrect in stating the Bible was used to justify untold horrors?
I of course know as does everyone who cares that Catholicism had pagan tendencies, it was never an issue so I happened not to need to mention it because regardless the Bible WAS used to justify untold horrors.
From Constantine until the end of slavery in America and to a degree still today.
What do you think you are accomplishing with your short rant anyway?
Probably because you're sending out a double message.
I've read the post again and yes it's context can tell that you knew catholicism but 'used' scripture.
My apology.
..but then you continue with absurd lines like this,
"... lying and manipulating is still the function of Christianity "
so - please dont blame others for misinterpreting your post.
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: TerriblePhoenix
Well that's your opinion and you are welcome to it
Maybe to you I am a brainwashed clown, I can live with that
The other side though is I see you as a arrogant, self centered person with little education in my beliefs.
Go read True Brits post
It's very clear and precise for what it is, could almost be a creed
I have never killed anyone in christs name, nor advocated it
Now you say the bible inspired millions of lives, so did atheism and Darwin, your beliefs are no more honorable.
Remember Joshua and Canan, that's a Jewish law book, I am not under the law. Basic bible understanding there
It's easier to see reality when you get off the high horse you are on
The best thing, I don't judge, God will, in his time
originally posted by: TerriblePhoenix
originally posted by: loNeNLI
originally posted by: TerriblePhoenix
originally posted by: loNeNLI
originally posted by: TerriblePhoenix
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: TerriblePhoenix
a reply to: Raggedyman
You don't have to have a creed.
You believe it's true regardless.
That was my point, simply.
Cool, I am glad you understand
Cheers
Yes, I understand. It's not much my concern the type of spirituality you engage in.
I simply wanted to point out that the lying manipulators gave you the religion and Bible you have which would not exist as is without the intervention of Roman Theocracy and that wonderful man Constantine!
Rome was a haven of tolerance for any religion as long as you paid lip service to the Emporer you could do as you pleased, and they flourished.
Theocracy turned them into heresy hunters and cost millions their lives inspired by the Bible and it's concept of religious superiority to justify untold horrors because Joshua conquered Canaan for Yahweh or some other excuse based on a story in the Bible.
You should at least thank them for giving you the Bible though, lying and manipulating is still the function of Christianity so are we any better because we are not Catholic?
Rotten tree, rotten fruit.
"and cost millions their lives inspired by the Bible"
- and you started Off so well.
If you fail to see that 'catholicism' is a mimick-christianity,
started by Constantine who was a pagan and his mother a witch who spiritually ruled him,
under motto "if you cant beat 'em join 'em" ,
then why make a comment, alltogether...?
What on earth gives you the impression that:
A. I didn't know Catholicism had pagan roots?
B. I am incorrect in stating the Bible was used to justify untold horrors?
I of course know as does everyone who cares that Catholicism had pagan tendencies, it was never an issue so I happened not to need to mention it because regardless the Bible WAS used to justify untold horrors.
From Constantine until the end of slavery in America and to a degree still today.
What do you think you are accomplishing with your short rant anyway?
Probably because you're sending out a double message.
I've read the post again and yes it's context can tell that you knew catholicism but 'used' scripture.
My apology.
..but then you continue with absurd lines like this,
"... lying and manipulating is still the function of Christianity "
so - please dont blame others for misinterpreting your post.
Blame is not something I am looking to do to anyone but it is your fault that YOU misinterpreted my comment and it has nothing to do with the state of modern Christianity and my opinion that it's still full of liars, it's not even an opinion it is an actual fact.
Not to mention separate issues never effecting each other.
Saying you know someone will go to hell if they are not saved is a small scale lie.
The big ones usually involve money, sex or authority.
Televangelists!!!? Give me a break.
Creflo Dollar?
Extreme example maybe but not an exception more like the rule, Creflo is just a smooth talking man with charisma and a gift for getting people to give him money that he uses to live like a Roman Caesar.
originally posted by: JDeLattre89
Open any history book, religion or god in one form or another is responsible for more wars and killings than all other reasons combined.
originally posted by: TerriblePhoenix
a reply to: doobydoll
I actually didn't ask for anything and don't need it but I suppose thank you for taking the time to inform me that was the Apostles Creed in Latin, which is what I think you did.
I won't be rude because there is no reason to be but I honestly wish you hadn't taken your time to do so because I honestly can't stand creeds, especially ones that claim God is 1, 3, and 1 and turn a human into God.
Which the apostles never thought.
originally posted by: loNeNLI
originally posted by: TerriblePhoenix
originally posted by: loNeNLI
originally posted by: TerriblePhoenix
originally posted by: loNeNLI
originally posted by: TerriblePhoenix
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: TerriblePhoenix
a reply to: Raggedyman
You don't have to have a creed.
You believe it's true regardless.
That was my point, simply.
Cool, I am glad you understand
Cheers
Yes, I understand. It's not much my concern the type of spirituality you engage in.
I simply wanted to point out that the lying manipulators gave you the religion and Bible you have which would not exist as is without the intervention of Roman Theocracy and that wonderful man Constantine!
Rome was a haven of tolerance for any religion as long as you paid lip service to the Emporer you could do as you pleased, and they flourished.
Theocracy turned them into heresy hunters and cost millions their lives inspired by the Bible and it's concept of religious superiority to justify untold horrors because Joshua conquered Canaan for Yahweh or some other excuse based on a story in the Bible.
You should at least thank them for giving you the Bible though, lying and manipulating is still the function of Christianity so are we any better because we are not Catholic?
Rotten tree, rotten fruit.
"and cost millions their lives inspired by the Bible"
- and you started Off so well.
If you fail to see that 'catholicism' is a mimick-christianity,
started by Constantine who was a pagan and his mother a witch who spiritually ruled him,
under motto "if you cant beat 'em join 'em" ,
then why make a comment, alltogether...?
What on earth gives you the impression that:
A. I didn't know Catholicism had pagan roots?
B. I am incorrect in stating the Bible was used to justify untold horrors?
I of course know as does everyone who cares that Catholicism had pagan tendencies, it was never an issue so I happened not to need to mention it because regardless the Bible WAS used to justify untold horrors.
From Constantine until the end of slavery in America and to a degree still today.
What do you think you are accomplishing with your short rant anyway?
Probably because you're sending out a double message.
I've read the post again and yes it's context can tell that you knew catholicism but 'used' scripture.
My apology.
..but then you continue with absurd lines like this,
"... lying and manipulating is still the function of Christianity "
so - please dont blame others for misinterpreting your post.
Blame is not something I am looking to do to anyone but it is your fault that YOU misinterpreted my comment and it has nothing to do with the state of modern Christianity and my opinion that it's still full of liars, it's not even an opinion it is an actual fact.
Not to mention separate issues never effecting each other.
Saying you know someone will go to hell if they are not saved is a small scale lie.
The big ones usually involve money, sex or authority.
Televangelists!!!? Give me a break.
Creflo Dollar?
Extreme example maybe but not an exception more like the rule, Creflo is just a smooth talking man with charisma and a gift for getting people to give him money that he uses to live like a Roman Caesar.
*shrug*
- you could expect that wolves enter.
Yet that is quite a different context as your quote : "lying and manipulating is the function of christianity".
That is an outright Lie.
lemme guess -
you are a messianic-jew ?
originally posted by: TerriblePhoenix
originally posted by: loNeNLI
originally posted by: TerriblePhoenix
originally posted by: loNeNLI
originally posted by: TerriblePhoenix
originally posted by: loNeNLI
originally posted by: TerriblePhoenix
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: TerriblePhoenix
a reply to: Raggedyman
You don't have to have a creed.
You believe it's true regardless.
That was my point, simply.
Cool, I am glad you understand
Cheers
Yes, I understand. It's not much my concern the type of spirituality you engage in.
I simply wanted to point out that the lying manipulators gave you the religion and Bible you have which would not exist as is without the intervention of Roman Theocracy and that wonderful man Constantine!
Rome was a haven of tolerance for any religion as long as you paid lip service to the Emporer you could do as you pleased, and they flourished.
Theocracy turned them into heresy hunters and cost millions their lives inspired by the Bible and it's concept of religious superiority to justify untold horrors because Joshua conquered Canaan for Yahweh or some other excuse based on a story in the Bible.
You should at least thank them for giving you the Bible though, lying and manipulating is still the function of Christianity so are we any better because we are not Catholic?
Rotten tree, rotten fruit.
"and cost millions their lives inspired by the Bible"
- and you started Off so well.
If you fail to see that 'catholicism' is a mimick-christianity,
started by Constantine who was a pagan and his mother a witch who spiritually ruled him,
under motto "if you cant beat 'em join 'em" ,
then why make a comment, alltogether...?
What on earth gives you the impression that:
A. I didn't know Catholicism had pagan roots?
B. I am incorrect in stating the Bible was used to justify untold horrors?
I of course know as does everyone who cares that Catholicism had pagan tendencies, it was never an issue so I happened not to need to mention it because regardless the Bible WAS used to justify untold horrors.
From Constantine until the end of slavery in America and to a degree still today.
What do you think you are accomplishing with your short rant anyway?
Probably because you're sending out a double message.
I've read the post again and yes it's context can tell that you knew catholicism but 'used' scripture.
My apology.
..but then you continue with absurd lines like this,
"... lying and manipulating is still the function of Christianity "
so - please dont blame others for misinterpreting your post.
Blame is not something I am looking to do to anyone but it is your fault that YOU misinterpreted my comment and it has nothing to do with the state of modern Christianity and my opinion that it's still full of liars, it's not even an opinion it is an actual fact.
Not to mention separate issues never effecting each other.
Saying you know someone will go to hell if they are not saved is a small scale lie.
The big ones usually involve money, sex or authority.
Televangelists!!!? Give me a break.
Creflo Dollar?
Extreme example maybe but not an exception more like the rule, Creflo is just a smooth talking man with charisma and a gift for getting people to give him money that he uses to live like a Roman Caesar.
*shrug*
- you could expect that wolves enter.
Yet that is quite a different context as your quote : "lying and manipulating is the function of christianity".
That is an outright Lie.
lemme guess -
you are a messianic-jew ?
First, not a lie.
Second NOT EVEN CLOSE!
Messianic Jew? I think you have a problem with them because I sure never gave the impression I was one.
originally posted by: TerriblePhoenix
originally posted by: loNeNLI
originally posted by: TerriblePhoenix
originally posted by: loNeNLI
originally posted by: TerriblePhoenix
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: TerriblePhoenix
a reply to: Raggedyman
You don't have to have a creed.
You believe it's true regardless.
That was my point, simply.
Cool, I am glad you understand
Cheers
Yes, I understand. It's not much my concern the type of spirituality you engage in.
I simply wanted to point out that the lying manipulators gave you the religion and Bible you have which would not exist as is without the intervention of Roman Theocracy and that wonderful man Constantine!
Rome was a haven of tolerance for any religion as long as you paid lip service to the Emporer you could do as you pleased, and they flourished.
Theocracy turned them into heresy hunters and cost millions their lives inspired by the Bible and it's concept of religious superiority to justify untold horrors because Joshua conquered Canaan for Yahweh or some other excuse based on a story in the Bible.
You should at least thank them for giving you the Bible though, lying and manipulating is still the function of Christianity so are we any better because we are not Catholic?
Rotten tree, rotten fruit.
"and cost millions their lives inspired by the Bible"
- and you started Off so well.
If you fail to see that 'catholicism' is a mimick-christianity,
started by Constantine who was a pagan and his mother a witch who spiritually ruled him,
under motto "if you cant beat 'em join 'em" ,
then why make a comment, alltogether...?
What on earth gives you the impression that:
A. I didn't know Catholicism had pagan roots?
B. I am incorrect in stating the Bible was used to justify untold horrors?
I of course know as does everyone who cares that Catholicism had pagan tendencies, it was never an issue so I happened not to need to mention it because regardless the Bible WAS used to justify untold horrors.
From Constantine until the end of slavery in America and to a degree still today.
What do you think you are accomplishing with your short rant anyway?
Probably because you're sending out a double message.
I've read the post again and yes it's context can tell that you knew catholicism but 'used' scripture.
My apology.
..but then you continue with absurd lines like this,
"... lying and manipulating is still the function of Christianity "
so - please dont blame others for misinterpreting your post.
Blame is not something I am looking to do to anyone but it is your fault that YOU misinterpreted my comment and it has nothing to do with the state of modern Christianity and my opinion that it's still full of liars, it's not even an opinion it is an actual fact.
Not to mention separate issues never effecting each other.
Saying you know someone will go to hell if they are not saved is a small scale lie.
The big ones usually involve money, sex or authority.
Televangelists!!!? Give me a break.
Creflo Dollar?
Extreme example maybe but not an exception more like the rule, Creflo is just a smooth talking man with charisma and a gift for getting people to give him money that he uses to live like a Roman Caesar.
originally posted by: TerriblePhoenix
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: TerriblePhoenix
Well that's your opinion and you are welcome to it
That I am welcome to it is a given, what "opinion" are you talking about specifically so I can clarify for you why I think it?
Maybe to you I am a brainwashed clown, I can live with that
The other side though is I see you as a arrogant, self centered person with little education in my beliefs.
Go read True Brits post
I do enjoy a kind word, thanks chap!
It's very clear and precise for what it is, could almost be a creed
I have never killed anyone in christs name, nor advocated it
Now you say the bible inspired millions of lives, so did atheism and Darwin, your beliefs are no more honorable.
You could not possibly know my beliefs because I haven't said what I believe, Darwin and atheism are not interests of mine or worth bringing up as they don't change murder in the name of God or Christ, they are separate issues and you are playing pass the buck.
When I honestly don't care what you do.
Remember Joshua and Canan, that's a Jewish law book, I am not under the law. Basic bible understanding there
And I can tell you must really know the Bible because you are not even under the law so I bet you constantly waste time NOT studying it.
But that doesn't change the fact that Romans and others DID and they would use any excuse they could find to conquer people.
Heathens and heretics.
It's easier to see reality when you get off the high horse you are on
The best thing, I don't judge, God will, in his time
I think you do judge and are judging me, specifically saying I am on a "High horse" and can't "see reality" both cases are judgements.
False judgements at that as neither are true.
You have to much to say with not enough information or even common sense, though you attempt to appear otherwise.
Damn dude...putting words in my mouth?
I never called you anything offensive so "brainwashed clown" is your thoughts and words, not mine.
I told you I am not concerned with your religion practices, just the facts.
originally posted by: TerriblePhoenix
a reply to: Raggedyman
I am not insinuating anything, just offering examples which I labeled extreme but not the exception,nay, the rule, just that not everyone is as successful as Creflo.
The followers of men and sometimes women if they are allowed to lead are...followers.
Good people that will do what their elders tell them because it's not enough to believe anymore you have to pick the "true" church.
I think there are many thousands of "one true church"'s.
So, I've heard a little about this in recent years but never in much detail.
It's really strange that we never hear about this in history, and of course you won't hear it in church that's for sure.