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originally posted by: whereislogic
a reply to: FiftyIsthenewthirty
You were doing so well all the way up to "and only, Pope", that should have been Satan, the pope is just a figurehead of 'Deception Inc.' a.k.a. Babylon the Great, the world empire of false religion including Christendom, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, Shintoism, etc. (you can tell when tracing the roots of their beliefs and religious philosophies, theosophies, back to Babylon; see 2nd and 3rd video I posted earlier on page 7, or my thread called "One myth leads to another", which is also an article with multiple pages that I linked in my previous comment). They replace the pope with another every few years or decades or so. You could argue that the Roman Catholic Hierarchy takes a leading role in Babylon the Great with its 1.2 billion adherents (2.4 for Christendom) to emphasize that influence, see also what Jesus said at Matthew 7:13,14. Note that "Chistendom" is not the same as (true) "Christianity" (the following of and obedience to Christ and his Father and his God, Jehovah; who both teach the same things, so if you're truly following one of the 2 you're also following the other, but that implies obedience to their instructions and not having your own version or biased interpretation of their teachings and instructions and how the obligation to follow them works for a Christian in relation to our sinful nature and God's willingness to forgive and in which situations he's unwilling to forgive, made a comment about that in the thread on the religion and theology forum about "Why can't God forgive Satan...."). Such as the instructions below from Jesus:
Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations,+ baptizing them+ in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you.+ And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”* (Matthew 28:19,20)
Those + signs lead to other bible verses to get a better idea what Jesus was talking about.
Babylon the Great: Reasoning
Babylon the Great: Insight, Volume 1
2 Corinthians 4:1-5:
Therefore, since we have this ministry through the mercy that was shown us, we do not give up. 2 But we have renounced the shameful, underhanded things, not walking with cunning or adulterating the word of God; but by making the truth manifest, we recommend ourselves to every human conscience in the sight of God. 3 If, in fact, the good news we declare is veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing, 4 among whom the god of this system of things* has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, so that the illumination [Or “light.”] of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through. 5 For we are preaching, not about ourselves, but about Jesus Christ as Lord and ourselves as your slaves for Jesus’ sake. 6 For God is the one who said: “Let the light shine out of darkness,” and he has shone on our hearts to illuminate them with the glorious knowledge of God by the face of Christ.
Notice the clear distinction between "God" and "Jesus Christ". The clear distinction between "God" and "the image of God", i.e. not God himself. If someone is an image of someone else, he's not that someone else (that would be blatantly ignoring what it's really teaching). Anyway, I was quoting for verse 6 after I decided to post the video below since that's what the song is based on:
They're just recording what they heard and they don't necessarily need to have heard every line.
Why You Can Trust the Biblical Gospels
originally posted by: nemonimity
Basic history of violence in the Abrahamic religions:
Jews: March around Killing their neighbors and conquering them because their god said to. Eventually get beaten. Resign to a more peaceful religion.
Christians: March around Killing their neighbors and conquering them because their god said to. Eventually get beaten. Resign to a more peaceful religion.
Muslims: March around Killing their neighbors and conquering them because their god said to.
Islam isn't as old as the other two but I'm willing to bet history will see the same final two stages with that group as well.
If It's Abrahamic it's rooted in Xenophobia, Fatalism and Biggotry. Good people are good people and that is who they are it doesn't come from being a Jew a Christian or a Muslim. Not Every Ancient Jew went out killing and plundering the same with Christians, and it is the same for Muslims. Doesn't change how insane they all are for believing what they do but it doesn't mean that they are inherently evil or bad for what stupidness they believe.
originally posted by: glend
a reply to: whereislogic
They're just recording what they heard and they don't necessarily need to have heard every line.
Who heard? The male authors wern't even there according to their own accounts, only the females, but that doesn't stop them from telling us Jesus last words. Nor were they at the tomb, so we get differing accounts from no resurection to one angel to two angels etc
Why You Can Trust the Biblical Gospels
Thats the problem, the Gospels have no real authorship and their dates vague. We at least know they wern't around at Pauls/Sauls time else he would have mentioned them. So the big question is, were the Gospels created or at least modified to empower Romes political ambitions. The oldest NT, the Codex Sinaiticus proves that Rome wasn't below altering the word of God, by adding the resurrection into the Gospel of Mark. Was its Romes intention to modifify the Gospel of Mark, to turn a carpenter into GOD, to promote romes pontiff as GODs spokesman on earth.
We also have Gospel of John the Baptsist that tells a very different story of Jesus. That he was a thorn in the side of Jewish priests. Which might help explain why Rome wanted Jesus as their champion to help wipe out Judiasm, eradicating the old for new.
Finally we have a God walking amongst the
Jews performing countless miracles. Yet when they had a chance to save his life they instead chose Barabbas the criminal. Were the people of that time blind, or have we been blinded, with Roman propoganda and censorship, through the ages.
Yeshua was a carpenter
that taught his version of spirituality. He taught love, pacifism and the right to stand up against ignorance. Is that not enough?
originally posted by: glend
a reply to: TerriblePhoenix
The problem is not only with Paul/Sauls interpretation but also with the Gospels as they appear to us today. Their ambiguity has resulted in persecution and wars.
John 14:7 ... "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.".
So it doesn't matter if the 25% suspect what John 14:7 really means, the 75% will use that as an excuse to spread christianity by the sword to save the souls of the non-believers, a common theme in all abrahamic faiths.
Perhaps the abrahamic demiurge is Yaldabaoth who rules by the sword. As above, so below.
There is no contradiction. The last 2 things he said were: "It has been accomplished!"
Oh, not to mention the fact that we are left to deal with supposed demonic beings. WHY?? Why would a benevolent god allow us to be tormented by those things? Do we deserve all this? THAT IS my ultimate question.