To where do all the ascended masters go?

a reply to: kibric


its' so logical and understandable that indoctrinating or schooling someone to believe that their Cultures' Ascended Masters are resting in a sanctuary at the core of the Milky Way...is not needed...


one way to know the presence of entities in the Galactic core...would be to apply the quantum actions of non-local manipulation of electron spin to spell out a communication code or image to the interior of the Galactic Core


just the act of altering a small pin-point of time-space should alert the resident entities that a visitor-is-knocking-at-their-door

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: cooperton

Christianity doesn't have any ascendent masters.

All the saints go to dwell with God, even the mediocre ones.

But the REAL saints (as opposed to the plastic ones created for propaganda purposes by the Roman Catholic Church) ARE the "ascended masters".

Christianity does not, of course, call souls who have completed their spiritual evolution on Earth by this title. But it does recognise the notion of highly evolved souls who attain the highest levels of Heaven, even though it has trouble in pointing out examples who achieved this through the devotional religion called "Christianity." This class of souls is identical to the Buddhist Arhat and the Hindu mahatma, who has released himself from the rebirth/reincarnation cycle.

The problem with Christianity is that it does not recognise reincarnation and has no understanding of the higher/transpersonal levels of the human soul, unlike Buddhist and Hindu mystical traditions that have been studying higher states of consciousness for thousands of years. These include the so-called "Kingdom of God", which is well-understood in the Eastern mystical literature, although it is also recognised in the Jewish mystical tradition called "kabbalah" as the "Malkut of Beriah".

There are NO "mediocre ones" among saints in the eyes of God. That is just the way jaundiced Westerners look at some of the ones who have been elevated to this status by the Catholic Church.

originally posted by: micpsi

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: cooperton

Christianity doesn't have any ascendent masters.

All the saints go to dwell with God, even the mediocre ones.

But the REAL saints (as opposed to the plastic ones created for propaganda purposes by the Roman Catholic Church) ARE the "ascended masters".

Christianity does not, of course, call souls who have completed their spiritual evolution on Earth by this title. But it does recognise the notion of highly evolved souls who attain the highest levels of Heaven, even though it has trouble in pointing out examples who achieved this through the devotional religion called "Christianity." This class of souls is identical to the Buddhist Arhat and the Hindu mahatma, who has released himself from the rebirth/reincarnation cycle.

The problem with Christianity is that it does not recognise reincarnation and has no understanding of the higher/transpersonal levels of the human soul, unlike Buddhist and Hindu mystical traditions that have been studying higher states of consciousness for thousands of years. These include the so-called "Kingdom of God", which is well-understood in the Eastern mystical literature, although it is also recognised in the Jewish mystical tradition called "kabbalah" as the "Malkut of Beriah".

There are NO "mediocre ones" among saints in the eyes of God. That is just the way jaundiced Westerners look at some of the ones who have been elevated to this status by the Catholic Church.

The point of Christianity is that you don't have to be 'special' in some way to be saved. God has granted absolution to us, all of us, if we accept it, we didn't do it for ourselves.

Everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God's high standards. Romans 3:23.

God showed his great love for us by sending Christ to die for us while we were still sinners. Romans 5:8.

God loved the world so much that he gave his only born Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16.

Consider that the absence of living ascended spiritual masters, actively engaged in guiding as many as possible, might just be a hint that there aren't any?

Surely, if someone ascended to the next level of consciousness and then refused to elevate others, when such a process would be at no great cost to themselves, is the epitome of selfishness and contrary to the stated goals of just about every guru or teacher.

That there are ascended spritual masters makes a great story or legend but fails the test of reason.

a reply to: cooperton

Beautiful.

originally posted by: cooperton
Once they've attained perfection, Nirvana if you will... They become part of the greater "all"...so others may draw truth from them

I like that!
Enlightenment = unconditional Love (also known, by some, as Christ) IS the experience/Knowing of Our Universal Self!
It is the Knowing of Our Universal Oneness/Self!
So, in that sense, I am willing to accept the notion of no one getting to God (Our Universal Form) without transcendent unconditional Love/Enlightenment (aka Christ, the mystics know that, the religious are relatively one and all clueless, and think Christ a literal 'man' desiring 'belief'...)! *__-

originally posted by: chr0naut

That there are ascended spritual masters makes a great story or legend but fails the test of reason.

"Very truly I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony." John 3:11

originally posted by: micpsi

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: cooperton

Christianity doesn't have any ascendent masters.

All the saints go to dwell with God, even the mediocre ones.

But the REAL saints (as opposed to the plastic ones created for propaganda purposes by the Roman Catholic Church) ARE the "ascended masters".

Christianity does not, of course, call souls who have completed their spiritual evolution on Earth by this title. But it does recognise the notion of highly evolved souls who attain the highest levels of Heaven, even though it has trouble in pointing out examples who achieved this through the devotional religion called "Christianity." This class of souls is identical to the Buddhist Arhat and the Hindu mahatma, who has released himself from the rebirth/reincarnation cycle.

The problem with Christianity is that it does not recognise reincarnation and has no understanding of the higher/transpersonal levels of the human soul, unlike Buddhist and Hindu mystical traditions that have been studying higher states of consciousness for thousands of years. These include the so-called "Kingdom of God", which is well-understood in the Eastern mystical literature, although it is also recognised in the Jewish mystical tradition called "kabbalah" as the "Malkut of Beriah".

There are NO "mediocre ones" among saints in the eyes of God. That is just the way jaundiced Westerners look at some of the ones who have been elevated to this status by the Catholic Church.

Wonderful a hierarchy in the heavens too. Sounds like a pyramid scheme from the bottom to the top. Personally I think all dogma's/religions are formed out of fear of the unknown, thus giving us a climb the ladder mentality, and lose your sins so you can get in.

We have to ask the question, when did we fall from perfection to have to find our way back? And why the hell would we want to leave, if we are all part of this oneness, in the Universe.

We love dualities in our current state to explain things, or somehow quantify them.

My personal dogma is we are all equal, no greater, no less than the highest god, saint, angel, master, guru, and as a dogma is basically as good a guess as anything else that's out there.

We have forgotten who we are and what we are for a reason, and we go through life believing arrogantly that our dogma's are the correct ones, or better than the other person's.

originally posted by: Realtruth

originally posted by: micpsi

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: cooperton

Christianity doesn't have any ascendent masters.

All the saints go to dwell with God, even the mediocre ones.

But the REAL saints (as opposed to the plastic ones created for propaganda purposes by the Roman Catholic Church) ARE the "ascended masters".

Christianity does not, of course, call souls who have completed their spiritual evolution on Earth by this title. But it does recognise the notion of highly evolved souls who attain the highest levels of Heaven, even though it has trouble in pointing out examples who achieved this through the devotional religion called "Christianity." This class of souls is identical to the Buddhist Arhat and the Hindu mahatma, who has released himself from the rebirth/reincarnation cycle.

The problem with Christianity is that it does not recognise reincarnation and has no understanding of the higher/transpersonal levels of the human soul, unlike Buddhist and Hindu mystical traditions that have been studying higher states of consciousness for thousands of years. These include the so-called "Kingdom of God", which is well-understood in the Eastern mystical literature, although it is also recognised in the Jewish mystical tradition called "kabbalah" as the "Malkut of Beriah".

There are NO "mediocre ones" among saints in the eyes of God. That is just the way jaundiced Westerners look at some of the ones who have been elevated to this status by the Catholic Church.

Wonderful a hierarchy in the heavens too. Sounds like a pyramid scheme from the bottom to the top. Personally I think all dogma's/religions are formed out of fear of the unknown, thus giving us a climb the ladder mentality, and lose your sins so you can get in.

We have to ask the question, when did we fall from perfection to have to find our way back? And why the hell would we want to leave, if we are all part of this oneness, in the Universe.

We love dualities in our current state to explain things, or somehow quantify them.

My personal dogma is we are all equal, no greater, no less than the highest god, saint, angel, master, guru, and as a dogma is basically as good a guess as anything else that's out there.

We have forgotten who we are and what we are for a reason, and we go through life believing arrogantly that our dogma's are the correct ones, or better than the other person's.

^^ that sóunds most "spiritual"
but is an outright Lie.

and is said but out of total Ignorance.
wait -
haughty Ignorance.

originally posted by: namelesss

originally posted by: cooperton
Once they've attained perfection, Nirvana if you will... They become part of the greater "all"...so others may draw truth from them

I like that!
Enlightenment = unconditional Love (also known, by some, as Christ) IS the experience/Knowing of Our Universal Self!
It is the Knowing of Our Universal Oneness/Self!
So, in that sense, I am willing to accept the notion of no one getting to God (Our Universal Form) without transcendent unconditional Love/Enlightenment (aka Christ, the mystics know that, the religious are relatively one and all clueless, and think Christ a literal 'man' desiring 'belief'...)! *__-

No.

I'm sorry, but where is the "unconditional Love" in any 'mystic' so concerned with "the Knowing of Our Universal Oneness/Self" - or so focused on 'transcending' this world -

- that they feel no call or caring for the suffering of it?


* What is the good of a "Christ" who teaches that finding the 'God within' is all important -

- when there are little children in this world being abused/tortured by the very people they should be able to trust most to love and care for them?


* Where is the "unconditional Love" for the babies crying themselves to sleep - alone in the dark, beaten, bruised, and broken (in body & spirit) every night?


* What is the point of knowing that 'God is Light' and 'we are God' in the face of the above?


Frankly I have no desire to be part of any "greater 'all'" or "Universal Self" that contains such travesties of pain, suffering, and insanity; and dares to consider itself a higher 'consciousness'!

Any human being who would consider themselves 'enlightened' should understand the real 'Truth' -

- that their time might be better spent praying for a 'Christ' who will come as a miracle worker to the aid of the millions of torturously suffering children in the world -

- than sitting around contemplating 'Christ' consciousness, 'universal oneness', 'mystic ascended masters', enlightenment, etc...

...how dare anyone use the term "unconditional Love" for such 'self' centered spiritual masturbation?!?


I really am sorry, I honestly don't mean to offend, this is just a sincere attempt to ask all 'mystics' to truly consider rethinking their paradigms...

originally posted by: lostgirl
No.

I'm sorry, but where is the "unconditional Love" in any 'mystic' so concerned with "the Knowing of Our Universal Oneness/Self" - or so focused on 'transcending' this world -

- that they feel no call or caring for the suffering of it?


* What is the good of a "Christ" who teaches that finding the 'God within' is all important -

- when there are little children in this world being abused/tortured by the very people they should be able to trust most to love and care for them?


* Where is the "unconditional Love" for the babies crying themselves to sleep - alone in the dark, beaten, bruised, and broken (in body & spirit) every night?

Do you think any of the travesties you mentioned are derived from those practicing the ideals of Christ? People who follow such ideals would not beat their children or cause anyone unrighteous suffering.

Keep heart.

originally posted by: lostgirl


Any human being who would consider themselves 'enlightened' should understand the real 'Truth' -

And that is the conundrum, as soon as a belief is put into motion it becomes dogma.

It seems the more we talk about something, the more we become experts on our own dogma's.

Kinda like, "That's enough about you, let's talk about you know"

a reply to: cooperton


Greetings-

I read Your piece and to keep the quid pro quo of an intraweb chat-forum intact, I provide this for Your perusal and for anyone else who wants to further look into this.

en.wikipedia.org...

namaste

Stay Hydrated...

a reply to: loNeNLI

What buddhists call nirvana, is the realm of Thoth - since krishna is egyptian Thoth.

Krishna is from Hinduism not Buddhism. Some schools of Buddhism might burrow from Hinduism but generally buddhists don't believe in the personification of GOD. The Hindu Krishna represents Brahman (father in christianity) with the atman representing the Christian Son, and Shakti the Christian Holy Ghost, is all considered superfluous to Buddhism's four noble truths, which aims for Nirvana, a state achieved when one is alive, that results in ultimate happiness from escaping karma which causes samsara (rebirth).

Buddhism see's Christian and Hindu heavens and hells as an extension of egoism which still results in suffering. So Buddha's explanation of those that achieve Nirvana. When they die .... "The enlightened that have been released from the five aggregates is deep, immeasurable like the mighty ocean. To say that he is reborn would not fit the case. To say that he is neither reborn nor not reborn would not fit the case.".

a reply to: cooperton

I have found no other prophet who has claimed to have caused such a metaphysical shift in possibility for the children of God, therefore I think he was the first Christ that was to come and lift the karmic burden of humankind through his sacrifice.

That's because your experience is coming form a strictly biblical perspective. We are all children of god and the father of god. God got bored and is re experiencing "itself" through endless creation. Don't get hung up on dogma - you limit the infinite.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight

That's because your experience is coming form a strictly biblical perspective.

That is a false assumption. I have studied many traditions and philosophies, and it led me to believe that Christ was indeed the messiah that was necessary to open the gates back to heaven. This did not invalidate the prophets of other traditions, it fulfilled their musings regarding a potential world to come.

We are all children of god and the father of god. God got bored and is re experiencing "itself" through endless creation. Don't get hung up on dogma - you limit the infinite.

I have heard such an idea before and I believe it is rather close to the reality of us as children developing into our celestial inheritance:



(Also see Gospel of Thomas verse 1-2)

Where?! There is no 'where', they create any 'where' they want for their games. How many stupid rules can one overlay on infinite possibilities in order to give ever-more experienced souls a means by which to forget the nauseating boredom of immortality? Or perhaps it's just and endless string of fractal false summits, keep playing though the scenery is breathtaking.

originally posted by: lostgirl

originally posted by: namelesss

originally posted by: cooperton
Once they've attained perfection, Nirvana if you will... They become part of the greater "all"...so others may draw truth from them

I like that!
Enlightenment = unconditional Love (also known, by some, as Christ) IS the experience/Knowing of Our Universal Self!
It is the Knowing of Our Universal Oneness/Self!
So, in that sense, I am willing to accept the notion of no one getting to God (Our Universal Form) without transcendent unconditional Love/Enlightenment (aka Christ, the mystics know that, the religious are relatively one and all clueless, and think Christ a literal 'man' desiring 'belief'...)! *__-

No.

That's a pretty kneejerk NO!!! for a 'lostgirl'.
Just sayin...
Do you think that it would be egoic for me to say that this response is an act of such Love!? *__-

I'm sorry, but where is the "unconditional Love" in any 'mystic' so concerned with "the Knowing of Our Universal Oneness/Self" - or so focused on 'transcending' this world -
- that they feel no call or caring for the suffering of it?

Knowledge = experience, and your question makes it clear that your question arises from that ignorance.
I could babble for an hour, and you'd still not get it. You have heard stories of 'hot', you have imagined all sorts of things about 'hot', read poems about 'hot'... but you have not yet tasted the flame.
It's all theoretic.
You are judging the Universe because We do not share in your extremely truncated sensitivities.
And you, in your egoic catbird seat, find Us wanting?!?
Are you getting where I'm coming from?
The stats tell me that there is a better than average chance that you would be one who self-identifies as a Xtian, so I have to ask you, what are you doing 'judging' anyone, anyway?
"Judge not...!"?
Perhaps, when ignorance becomes Knowledge, for you, you will see for yourself the error in your emotional, angry, judgmental question.
The Fruit of the Forbidden Tree is what?
Judgment!
"The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil", and every time that you judge someone, you are taking a fresh bite from that forbidden fruit, Faithless and Loveless, and drive a new nail, afresh, into your Jesus' hands!

I really am sorry, I honestly don't mean to offend, this is just a sincere attempt to ask all 'mystics' to truly consider rethinking their paradigms...

I think that any mystic would forgive your ignorance, as any Loving parent would forgive their infant for peeing on them.
Actually, there is no need of 'forgiveness' as there would be no offence taken!
There would have been no 'conditions' on the Love! *__-

Nor is there judgment.

And if you are not a Xtian, I can translate this into any faith that you like.
It's an act of Love!
*__-

originally posted by: March of the Fire Ants
Where?! There is no 'where'

I agree. That was the purpose of quoting the verse "...you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."

How many stupid rules can one overlay on infinite possibilities

The rules that prevent you from getting trapped in your own karmic labyrinth.

in order to give ever-more experienced souls a means by which to forget the nauseating boredom of immortality?

As if the 9-5 Babylonian work day is riveting?

Or perhaps it's just and endless string of fractal false summits, keep playing though the scenery is breathtaking.

I feel what you are saying. Similarly, I'd describe it as a tangent of consciousness where the limitless potential of the dream world is accompanied by the total control of your wake state.