interdimensional or extraterrestrial?

a reply to: schuyler

Please don't be too discouraged. Your's is a careful, and well thought out response IMO. With respect to those participating, this is always the way it is with any forum that centers on esoteric or special interest subject matter. If Novice, Intermediate, & Advanced were to become geographic in nature, Advanced would be a small island in the middle of nowhere. Is that you Wilson?

You're right, we don't have a clue what the UFO phenomenon is. However, if the UFO phenomenon is representative of an actual nuts and bolts technologically facilitated effort to go to and fro by whomever, you are correct with respect to a logical efficiency of UFO origins concerning environments from which they may indigenously hail.

I personally think that UFOs may be somewhat of an environmental awareness feedback anomaly. A product of rules and laws governing consciousness for which we yet don't have any real or solid working understanding. For ourselves, a phenomenon originated outside the constraints of a solid temporal understanding could not be stated to come from anywhere at all specifically. This is because all coordinated systematic relevance to them, originally or otherwise, would be completely nil. UFOs seem to hail from well beyond space, distance, and time.

IMO, it truly doesn't seem as though there is any real relevance for us in terms of our potential investigative concepts with respect to discerning where they come from. All we have at a minimal best are recounted high strangeness dream like interactions with the phenomenon, wherein there is little consistency in terms of encounters apart from the abduction egregore. Far more commonly in abundance are secondarily reported observations of a completely phenomenal variety from a distance. As has been stated clearly in this thread already, often of a expected variety.

Therefore IMO, it would seem logical that the phenomenon might be best considered a very powerful, illusory, context driven, inculcation of sorts, and at this time, best studied and as being a quantum thought form of sorts impacting our environmental awareness via consciousness.

Extraterrestial does not exclude interdimensional and vice versa.

Whatever this phenomenon is, it's been around for a long time and definitely preys on our minds and emotions. There are researchers who think that our emotions are used by these entities, along with our physical bodies. We are a resource to them, at least for some groups of these beings. This is obviously all a speculation.

Would a 16th century merchant believe that something called sound barrier exists? Would he even consider it to make any sense?

Why do I bring this up? Because many people, including people who were contacted by these entities, say that they use "magic". Most of it might be advanced psychology and manipulation along with extremely advanced technology. I guess that one day we might elevate ourselves to be on their level...but then they probably will be several levels higher.

a reply to: humanoidlord

Dr. Jacques Vallee ~ The Control System

by The GUT
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Dr. Jacques Vallee has called himself a "heretic among heretics" for proposing his own musings and theories which collectively offer what he has called the Interdimensional Hypothesis (IDH) as opposed to the Extraterrestrial Hypothesis (ETH).

Many answers, only 138 pages long....have fun

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

And of course he has long since changed his position on "dimensions" entirely. He now professes that consciousness holds the most weight in terms of focused investigative potential.

originally posted by: CryptoXparaMental
a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

And of course he has long since changed his position on "dimensions" entirely. He now professes that consciousness holds the most weight in terms of focused investigative potential.

Won't play.

a reply to: 808Funk

Very sorry about that. No clue why. Maybe this will work?

www.youtube.com...



I tried both the quick link and the url info via the youtube choice in my post editor. What else does the forum require

originally posted by: CryptoXparaMental
a reply to: 808Funk

Very sorry about that. No clue why. Maybe this will work?

www.youtube.com...


I tried both the quick link and the url info via the youtube choice in my post editor. What else does the forum require

Cheers bud.

a reply to: humanoidlord

as per this video UFO's are interdimensional. you can watch how a flying saucer enters earths space out of nowhere. youtu.be...

a reply to: CryptoXparaMental
Thanks for that.

Maybe I'm mis-understanding here.. but wouldn't anything perceivable (and many things go unperceivable) all be interdimensional?

After all.. we perceive in 4 dimensions.. and we exist
in each dimension, and move through each dimension.. that would make us interdimensional.

Going with string theory.. all dimensions exist on top of each other.. they are the same "thing"

The only thing that separates our ability to understand all the dimensions is our consciousness and perception.

Our brains and bodies have developed to process only the information from the first 4 dimensions (height, depth, width, time)

So, in my opinion, they would probably be both extraterrestrial and interdimensional.

a reply to: solve

Subspace?

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

They seem to rely on magnetics somehow related to the avatar suits the entities would wear to penetrate OUR plane.

originally posted by: CryptoXparaMental

Thanks for the Vallee video I hadn't seen that one.

If you think about 'high strangeness' situations recorded as myth or fact throughout history, they seem to match what could be imagined at the time. For example, gods, elves, faeries, minataurs, dragons etc. UFOs after the war were often reported with antennae and propellors. Aliens were often reported with space suits and backpacks.

So rather than extraterrestrial or intra-dimensional, I would go with the controllers of our simulation controlling us via our consciousness or that everything, as JV appears to think, is a construct of consciousness. Mind boggling indeed!

a reply to: EasyPleaseMe

In my mind, after eagerly studying Fortean phenomena for over 40 years, with the UFO phenomenon clearly occupying the zenith of that which is "paranormal", there is no question in my mind that you are 100% correct. I believe this to be the apex of a most natural and logical "end game" for UFO investigative considerations.

Everything Fortean, no matter what or how it is we religiously dress, prop up, and with pack animal precision wave our personal flags of perceptive allegiances to, what we are left with is environmental Reality according to inherent and indigenous process.

The biggest mistake that mankind has made since believing the Earth to be the center of our solar system, is thinking that consciousness is within us, or produced by us. It isn't until we realize that we merely participate in consciousness that we begin to understand just what it is that UFOs traverse.

To us it seems mind blowing. To them, they are just technologically facilitating foreign attributes of the "real' environmental big picture. Much like we do via our own immediate interfacial relationship to/with consciousness. This inherent relationship yields our own experiential foreign physical composite that we call Earth, and navigate with our own technological "work arounds".

My pet theory (for what it's worth, bit of fun thinking aboot it...)

Imagine a branch of the Hominid family. Intellectually superior - brighter than us. But poorer reproductive performance. Realising that H.Sap would outbreed them after the end of the ice age, they are also ethically superior. They cannot contemplate exterminating H.Sap. So they develop technologies, hide their traces, and go and hide in the deep oceans. Also they might have seen how quickly we came back from the Toba event.

(one thing this would then do away with is the problem of the oft-reported anthropoid appearance)

As an aside, they employ technologies of Psychological and/or Visual deception - remember those cases of UAP's being found in photo's by accident, when the photographer was unaware they were in shot? An example of some sort of observer effect maybe, where if the person is unaware then the tech doesn't function. We already know of (CIA?) experiments that can induce hallucinations - so ''sufficiently advanced technology''

They (the UAP's that is) often used appear as rather comical saucers to play into the narrative created by early Sci-fi. Clever misdirection to convince us of their Alien nature when they are nothing of the sort. (also this does away with the need to travel interstellar distances)

The one thing I cannot speak to is the apparent pointlessness of a lot of the activities - beams of light on apparently otherwise featureless ground, bizarre medical examinations that seem dated when we can do much stuff non-invasively. We can also already envision some point in the near future where surveillance will be conducted by miniscule, possibly almost nanoscale devices.

As I said, just a bit of fun thinking, but it also tries to do away also with such unknown, and to me sometimes improbable devices such as other dimensions. Nuts and bolts for me I'm afraid

a reply to: CryptoXparaMental
Thanks for your very interesting insights.

What puzzles me is why only one consciousness? I find it amazing that humans have known about this for thousands of years - how was this conclusion reached?

You may find this interesting if you haven't read it already

Scientific American

There are entities that reside in anti matter, they are inter dimensional beings. The reason Cern exists other that the story you are told is so that they can create anti matter and eventually a star gate into there world. I am a warlock and I have worked with these beings combining occult knowledge and ITC devices I recorded conversations with these beings I will be posting them in here but I still can not post them on a thead.

originally posted by: Danielthewarlock
The reason Cern exists other that the story you are told is so that they can create anti matter and eventually a star gate into there world.

I'm following you here, now the next question is for what purpose?

I think most UFOS people see is our military.

And the "entities" are extraterrestrial, inter-dimensional, and even Time traveling human species from into the future, and maybe far from the past as well.

I think our reality we live in way past our brain's ability to comprehend if we really knew everything that was going on. The universe is so strange, i believe it's true existence is nowhere near what we think it is. For all we know it's a giant biological entity in some way and we are all a part of it.