Autism Ears

a reply to: watchitburn

But since nature is doing it often is it a misstep?

a reply to: tikbalang

Yes.

adaptations don't happen over night.

originally posted by: watchitburn

originally posted by: Spacespider
Autism isn't a disorder. It's a way people are. People are different, they're not all the same. People have different strengths, weaknesses, aptitudes and interests. But since we're so disconnected from our true selves and since we are so hell bent on making sure that everyone is the exact same as everyone else we make sure to ostracize anyone that is different.

I disagree.

I believe it's an evolutionary misstep or dead end and needs to be addressed before we can move forward as a species.

As much as I'd love it to be Darwin's Radio - - - I think its more of - - it's always been - - we're just beginning to recognize it.

Generationally I see it in my family. At least the type Autism my grandson has. I refer to my ancestors as the 'Useless Geniuses". Brilliant minds - - that can't seem to apply it practically to this world.

Left handed, about 5 percent. Higher functioning, mostly right handed.

a reply to: sussy

Did the left handed show different progress? Did they show anything different?

a reply to: tikbalang

left handed traits, 1 highly anxious but quick brain
2 calm, quiet lad good at drawing, craft making
3 calm, functioning skills appropriate to age
4 behaviour issues, now sorted on his way to being an astral physicist
No correlation noticed on left handers being exceptional compared with right handers

a reply to: sussy

Hmmm... then i can deduct right - left brain development and correlation

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: pheonix358
a reply to: Annee

What works for one, does not work for another.

You should paint these words, your words, on your wall.

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You wanna express that to other posters in this thread?

This is not the first time you've chosen to single me out.

I was referring to the relationship between you and your son. What works for you may not be the best for him. I have never singled you out. That is your issue, not mine.

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I have mid-high functioning aspergers, I can love and feel it too. The problem is that it is hard to show it on demand, hard to show it the way others expect it to be shown and it is damn near impossible to show it when I don't think I've even been accepted yet. That said, math (alg, calc or the like) is hard form me because I can not relate the numbers to something real, it seems like I am being taught for the sake of just knowing it and then throwing it away.

To try and teach some one who has ASD the same as every one else is like trying to put the square peg in the round hole, the sad part is, when it fails, they get a bigger hammer. The square peg will fit through the hole, it will be damaged and will go through the round hole with less force the second time, but never make the mistake that it is now a round peg or that it is happy.

When I was young, I wouldn't scream when my dad would wash my hair, but it did hurt, I just never told him. Now that I am older (37) I can wash my hair with gusto and there is no pain. I think most adults think a child's scalp will be just as numb as theirs is.

The problem with high function aspergers (maybe all ASD) is that I feel too much, think too much and thus act strangely or not at all. Most people conform, most people don't have ASD.

a reply to: XL5

Thank you for validating all that.

Me, being 70, had nothing to base my oddness on. No one to talk to. No internet to research. Good thing I was strong minded.

I spent a lot of time alone sitting on rooftops or in trees.

originally posted by: thegeneraldisarray

originally posted by: Spacespider
Autism isn't a disorder. It's a way people are. People are different, they're not all the same. People have different strengths, weaknesses, aptitudes and interests. But since we're so disconnected from our true selves and since we are so hell bent on making sure that everyone is the exact same as everyone else we make sure to ostracize anyone that is different.

As someone on the spectrum when in the 70's no one ever HEARD of autism. what say you about those who are non-verbal or violent? Where do you stand insofar as Deaf parents denying cochlear implants for their children under the same claim of "not a disability?"

Put a label on it.. and you destroy the kid, making it feel like a outsider and not like the rest.
How about just treat the kid as a human being

a reply to: tikbalang

I worked as a house parent in a group home and also have a son with Asperger's. You have to take into account what you know about the individual and how they process information. For example, some hate to be touched, but my son loved to snuggle or any physical contact. He loved to be wrapped up in a blanket while watching TV or being read a story. In school, he would sit still for as long as he needed, if he was sitting on someone's lap or right next to them. He had a WONDERFUL kindergarten teacher, who would let him sit on her lap during story time. She helped him so much in getting used to sitting on his own, by gradually getting him to sit just a bit farther away each week. Today, he is a strapping 18 year old, who played high school football for 3 years and is now graduating at the top of his class, with ACT and PARCC scores far above state and national average and going on to college. [ yeah I am bragging on him...he's worked hard ]

While there are general guidelines, just like everyone else, each one is different and you have to play it by ear.

a reply to: DAVID64

How did you handle the outbursts?

a reply to: watchitburn

I hate to break it to you, society has likely moved forward because of ASD.

Autism spectrum disorders are probably responsible for the state of our technological evolution today. There is a strong indication that Bill Gates is on the autistic spectrum. So if you ever use a Windows computer, thank autism. There are numerous people on the autistic spectrum that made contributions to science and technology, as well as other aspects of society.

Famous people suspected of being on the autistic spectrum include:
Albert Einstein, Mozart, Tim Burton, Bill Gates, Dan Aykroyd, Nichola Tesla, Andy Kaufman, Isaac Newton, Steven Spielberg, Harry Truman, Abraham Lincoln,

One of the reasons why autism has become such a big issue today is because those people on the spectrum have become more survival prone in modern society. People who lacked the social skills previously to be worthy of reproducing, are now successful in (for example) the computer science fields. There are theories that some of the increase in ASD are because of those coders sitting in their cubicles writing computer code furiously that glance over to a nearby cubicle and see someone that might understand them. 2 Aspies reproduce and the traits are intensified.

Asperger's individuals specifically can actually do quite well in the science and technology fields (even if they are not terribly socially acute). This is the autistic spectrum. Not socially acute but they have other strengths. There is no credible evidence that they do not have emotions. Only that they are not good at expressing them appropriately.

My wife (redhorse) and my daughter are both on the autistic spectrum. My wife began studying autism when our daughter was a year and a half old and has recently completed her psychology degree. Through this journey of hers I have realized that large portions of my family were probably on the autistic spectrum but it was never diagnosed. When my nephew was behind the curve verbally, my father said "our family is just like that". My nephew still has not been diagnosed officially, what I have absorbed over the past 15 years would indicate to me that he is on the spectrum. I have some traits that may be pretty firmly on that spectrum as well.

My wife and daughter can love. My daughter is one of the nicest most loving people I have ever met. She also figured out a computer animation program when half the instructions were in Japanese (which she does not read).

Society is advanced by people on the autistic spectrum. These people have the full range of emotions that anyone else has, they just have some deficit in social acuity, which hinders their ability to express these emotions in a way that other people understand. Just because youcannot see it, does not mean it is not there.

I can believe this, I have high functioning autism and some things just overload me when it comes to sounds.

Like I honestly cannot be in the room when my wife watches Gilmore Girls on netflix. Not because I think the show is awful, but because the talking just seems to be non-stop without pause and for some reason it drives me nuts and I cannot seem to process it.
Just seems to be a constant stream of sound like no show I have ever seen.
Same effect from being in crowded spaces with many people all speaking and making noise at once. I really hate waiting rooms because of this.
Kind of hard to explain how it feels.

Fireworks though, they never bothered me. In fact I love them and always have. Only time I have issues with audio at all is the above examples.

a reply to: iferget

I hate to break it to you, society has likely moved forward because of ASD.

I agree, here also lies the problem.. ASD channeled the proper way is good, but due to our genetic inheritance and lack of understanding they channel it wrong..

They are raw natural talent and are rewarded as such, what happens when that interest moves to another topic?Frustration? Destruction? An ordinary human is good at doing a single thing, an ASD is great at doing a single thing.. they just lack the focus and concentration.. Society will rather spend money on someone "human" with a profound interest who will spend hours perfecting it than it will on a raw talent with concentration problems..

And due to their brain structure they will move from subject to subject and learn many things good, but will most likely never be great at one thing.

Edit: ASD is mainly a male "thing" A woman is by nature preprogrammed to love..
So if your wife and daughter feels different it could most likely be a subjective interpretation of study material


Edit: Channeling anger in your way

a reply to: tikbalang

I think you need to do more research on autistic spectrum disorders.
"hyperfocus": an obsessive interest in one thing or a small number of things, is a common Asperger's trait.

"Hyperfocus is commonly found in Asperger's children who also have the ADD/ADHD comorbid."Found Here

So even in ASD individuals who have an attention deficit diagnosed, this hyperfocus causes them to be exceptionally good at these endeavors. Savantism is also frequently associated with ASD.

I would pit an aspie programmer against a "normal" programmer any day. The same with anything that requires fine detailed memory of a certain topic. You have it backwards. Many ASD individuals will put in more effort time and energy and effort into these endeavors than a normal human would, as well as having a greater aptitude.

The reason it is so prevalent is because it is successful.

By the way:
My wife and daughter were diagnosed by an Ivy League psychologist.
My daughter's therapy team included this psychologist, a pediatric neurologist that specialized in autism, and much of what we learned was taught or confirmed by the other members of this team including occupational therapists, speech therapists, all of whom are specialists in this field.
If you have actually done this research yourself, I would suspect that your perspective is biased for some reason, and you have ignored areas of the research pertaining to this side of things.

a reply to: iferget

My research is objective.. The research papers are also objective, the research im conducting is " neurological trauma ".

Why im in the ASD field is cause they will not adjust to cultural norms. Meaning "They are not humans and will never be"

A psychologist works in a field that could be considered "metaphysical". They conduct research in " Behaviorism in western cultural ideals and dogma " relying heavily on medication and imprinting.

originally posted by: tikbalang
a reply to: iferget

My research is objective.. The research papers are also objective, the research im conducting is " neurological trauma ".

Why im in the ASD field is cause they will not adjust to cultural norms. Meaning "They are not humans and will never be"

Your may believe your research and research materials are entirely objective but your opinion that Aspies are inhuman is entirely subjective.

What business is it of yours that 'they' will not adjust to cultural norms? Why should 'they'? Why can't you accept 'them' for themselves? What do you think you will achieve?

a reply to: teapot

What business is it of yours that 'they' will not adjust to cultural norms? Why should 'they'? Why can't you accept 'them' for themselves? What do you think you will achieve?

The intention of people are mostly narcissistic, if you can have a "thing" that enforces your narcissistic traits, you will most likely see to it that it will rewards you and your brain chemistry. Having a high functioning ASD as your right hand most be gold for an ambitious human.. A robot...

If it is research material, it means most likely the are objective, then you can have all the opinions in the world of belief, it wont contradict anything

Im not here to make friends on ideals and try to convince people, im just laying facts.. If its to difficult to handle, its not of my concern..

My research is still " Trauma ".