No, California Did Not Legalize Child Prostitution

a reply to: enlightenedservant

You know I'm no fan of the War On Drugs...

...nor do I think that prostitution itself should be illegal as it is as it puts them in the street world of dope and pimps...

...so this thing with the minors is they're not going to face harsh penalties to get into the hooki' life, but will face the straight street dope life once they get in at 16 but then turn 18.

Huh.

This is like throwing the babies into the bath water that is going to be thrown out.

If this is a discussion of the merits of the WOD, and the legality of prostitution then it should start there, not here.

So sorry, but this screams of yet more liberal weirdo standards when it comes to kids and sex.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

How am I arguing liberal weirdo standards? I want to end the human trafficking system. But I know that will never happen as long as: 1. people keep buying its products, and 2. the victims of the human trafficking system get prosecuted for speaking up and reporting what's going on. People act like they don't know that cartels, gangs, and organized crime families are also involved in prostitution.

There are hidden brothels all over the US and many of their prostitutes have been forced into it. This is especially true of immigrants who've been duped by their employment agencies when they thought they were getting legal work visas to come here. Instead, it turns out the agencies are fronts for organized crime groups. The immigrant ends up with a massive debt and forged documentation, and will get arrested on illegal immigration related charges if they speak out. The agency/crime ring knows their families back home and threatens retribution if the debts aren't paid off.

Now guess what 2 of the most common ways of paying it off are? Drug mules and sex work. Most times when I talk about immigration, I mention this stuff. So it's not this should be new to anyone reading my posts. So yeah, I believe in rehabilitating them and I believe the best way to stop illegal trade and transactions is to go after the customers and employers in that illegal trade.

originally posted by: Konduit
a reply to: enlightenedservant

I think you misread my post, because I didn't say that it cannot be done.

It's just a fact that many people refuse to rehabilitate or cannot complete it, I've known several such people in my life.

But the OP is talking about teenagers. How can anyone realistically think teenagers can't be rehabilitated?

ETA:I wondered why my post didn't show up. I'd screwed up the formatting (facepalm).

Yes they did legalize child prostitution, by removing consequences. Now the police have no leverage over the kids to get at the pimps. ATS SHAME ON YOU FOR SHUTTING DOWN the original op. ARE YOU BIG GOVT SHILLS? I CAN'T EVEN READ HERE ANYMORE BECAUSE YOU PEOPLE ARE LOONY NOWADAYS. GOVT IS EVIL. PEOPLE SHOULD BE FREE. All time worst administration I've seen around here ever.

wearechange.org...

This is a much more nuanced dissection of this issue.

One quote I liked:

“It just opens up the door for traffickers to use these kids to commit crimes and exploit them even worse.”

~Alameda County District Attorney Nancy O’Malley, a national leader on human trafficking issues.

a reply to: JamesCookieIII

When reality doesn't fit with the intended decorum, which do you think will go out the window?

the biggest problem with decriminalization of anything is that it ignores how deceptive a human can be, you can blackmail anyone into agreeing to saying or doing anything, hell you can skip blackmail and just trick someone into an irreversible situation you can't be charged for instead.
this will only hurt many more in the future than it will help and no one will be able to help them even if they beg and cry.
a point to the underworld due to misguided compassion i guess.

a reply to: Konduit


The reality of the situation is , that a pimp has less downtime on their asset, because they are not in jail. They refuse help and get back to a john, and make money to pay for their drugs and make a pimp richer. The pimp pays of the cops to look the other way and everybody is happier , except the child being trafficked.

a reply to: namehere

Is it also decriminalizing it for the pedophiles who buy the child prostitutes, the human traffickers who move those children around, or the organized crime rings who sell them? Or is it just focusing on treatment/rehab for the minors caught up in this?

a reply to: JamesCookieIII


Certain mods are showing their true colours.

However if were not in the middle of some sort of child porn epidemic please correct me.Psychologicaly speaking what is the trigger, the underlying motive that causes sane rational reasonable high performing people to go down this path.responsiblebusiness.co... Could it be stress ?

This is great news for pimps,they can get rid of all their over 18 whores and replace them with under 18 whores, just think of how much money they will save by not having to bail them out of jail when they get caught.

If a pimp can threaten or intimidate them into selling their bodies I`m sure he will have no problem threatening or intimidating them into refusing rehab or counseling.

what about the ones who don`t have a pimp who exactly is forcing them to prostitute themselves? how are they victims of sex trafficking if they are working for themselves and are voluntarily doing it?

a reply to: JamesCookieIII

No. Do not try and twist this into some BS Liberal sex thing.

This law keeps children who end up in the sex trade from getting blamed and charged for it as a crime. That is all. Anyone else involved is still acting illegally and can be charged for their involvement.

What this is doing is keeping Prostitution and other charges from labeling the child who is the victim.

How hard do you think it is for one of those kids to get their lives back on track with a rap sheet full of prostitution charges all over it???

They're kids and they're victims of adults. The adults are criminals not the kids. Kids can't even consent to sex in the first place so it doesn't matter whether they had a pimp or were choosing to do it themselves. They're victims not criminals. This law keeps the kids from being labeled as a criminal for the rest of their life. It doesn't change anything for the adults involved.

It only knee jerk idiots who actually thought it his bill was legalising child pornography.

I mean...seriously. How skewed must ones thoughts be to twist it like that?

a reply to: mOjOm

minors don`t have a rap sheet, when they turn 18 their records are sealed nobody can see them, an employer sure isn`t going to be able to see them.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: enlightenedservant

So sorry, but this screams of yet more liberal weirdo standards when it comes to kids and sex.

I'm awestruck by your ignorance/obtuseness.

To quote comic book guy: there's no emoticon for how I'm feeling.

a reply to: Tardacus

Doesn't matter. They shouldn't be getting arrested in the first place. Kids are the victims. Period.

Even if they choose to sell themselves and trick someone into believing they aren't underage, the adult is still at fault not the kid.

Don't you see, you can't charge or convict a child of prostitution in the first place. Because they are never at fault for it because they can't legally prostitute themselves to begin with.

Any adult who is a part of it is automatically at fault, not the kid. The kid is always the victim. Legally speaking. They can't be held responsible for it.

Earlier you were saying that now we can't threaten them in to giving up info on their pimp right. But the pimp can still threaten them. Well, do you really think the best way to help them is by threatening them more than their pimp???

Does that really sound like the path to helping the victim. By out threatening someone else who's threatening them???

You think that's going to result in a functional person???

They don't need more threats or to be arrested or jailed or punished. They need help!!! Arresting kids for being sex victims isn't helping them.

So Hollywood doesn't exploit children even into the realm of prostitution? Since when?

a reply to: wdkirk

There are many industries that exploit children into prostitution actually. If you have some evidence that proves it I suggest you notify the cops so it can be dealt with.

Aside from that I'm not sure what you're comment is suggesting.

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: enlightenedservant

So sorry, but this screams of yet more liberal weirdo standards when it comes to kids and sex.

I'm awestruck by your ignorance/obtuseness.

To quote comic book guy: there's no emoticon for how I'm feeling.

LOL!! Did you say "comic book guy" on purpose? The first thing that popped in mind was this thread (HERE) from the same poster. Sorry IgnoranceIsntBlisss, but I've got to point this one out.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

Nice little summary on the way things are, Pimps get far more money for younger assets, the deals are made online and, the acts take place in motel rooms. More money means more payoffs.

www.thelastamericanvagabond.com... Their is a philosophical dichotomy on how a society treats it young and old.