North Carolina: The Right Wing Blue Print to Make the US a 3rd World Country

Interesting to see your pro and con list. As I have mentioned in the above post, NC is a beautiful state. Seriously, it is on the top 5-6 states in terms of beauty.

But look at your list. Half of your pros involve food. There are many other states that have fantastic food as well. CA being one of the tops when it comes to food. But your cons are huge, as a matter of fact, your con list is why this thread was posted in the first place.

originally posted by: Aldakoopa
As a lifelong resident of NC, I can say that there are a few things that kinda stink about living here, but I'd still rather be here than anywhere else. Here's a quick list of pros and cons:

Pros

- Great seafood

- Beautiful landscape from the mountains to the coast

-Delicious BBQ

-Most people are nice and polite

-Hearing gunshots in most areas of the state is actually no cause for alarm

-We're not California

Cons

-HB2 was a stupid law with no real purpose but to antagonize the Transgender population. All 0.01% of them are highly angry and the LGBT community and their supporters are angry for them.

-Bible thumpers. Bible thumpers everywhere.

-Tax on labor (supposedly they're eventually going to remove the income tax but I doubt that will ever happen)

-Duke Energy's illegal dumping

-A severe lack of things such as computer stores and Chick-fil-As, as far as I can tell.

2 out of how many graduates of our schools? N.C. is what others have said, pros & cons. There's 49 other states that can also say...it's a great place BUT it's got it's bad points. I lived in Fl & New York.........I would rather live in a damn tent in N.C. than a Upper East side loft in N.Y.C. And as far as Florida goes....Don't get me started. If I had to live somewhere else. I'd find me a place in Canada that looks a lot like N.C but with less people with #ty attitudes.a reply to: SeekingAlpha

a reply to: SeekingAlpha

Some of the most nicest people I have ever met were from No Carolina,very friendly and very proper,beautiful country,leave them be ,every state and country have their bad areas,hard to avoid

originally posted by: SeekingAlpha
Interesting to see your pro and con list. As I have mentioned in the above post, NC is a beautiful state. Seriously, it is on the top 5-6 states in terms of beauty.

But look at your list. Half of your pros involve food. There are many other states that have fantastic food as well. CA being one of the tops when it comes to food. But your cons are huge, as a matter of fact, your con list is why this thread was posted in the first place.

So what? I like food.

I'm not trying to argue that NC is flawless because it is far from it. As a libertarian-leaning atheist I don't like the bible thumpers getting insane laws passed that in the end do absolutely nothing. I hate them slowly introducing some new tax plan that promises to eliminate income tax but only after they tax us to death in every other possible way, which may never come to full effect so we will probably be left with more taxes in the end. Living on the coast and enjoying our fine seafood, I don't want our waters polluted by Duke Energy, fraking, and potential offshore drilling.

NC is far from perfect, but it's never going to be a third world country as you make it seem. It's still home to me, and I may not like everything that's going on, but I'll do what little I can to stop it.

a reply to: SeekingAlpha

See, this is what happens when you read too much into right wing fake news. Not that the left needs their vote, but illegal aliens do not vote in CA elections. If that happened, the right wingers in CA would go ape sh it over that. This is the same BS that right wingers perpetuate similar to that of Obama will take your guns when he took office.

Alpha, you are outgunned.

originally posted by: SeekingAlpha

If you forgot how backwards NC is, have you forgot that the NBA is not having their All Star game in that state because of its repressive laws? Think about this for one second, the NBA has teams in many red states such has OK and TX. They have never threatened to pull their All Star game out of those states, but they did to NC. Why? Because NC has legislators that are hell bent on bringing that state and our country back to the 1500's.

I find it funny that the NBA made a huge deal about moving the Allstar game from NC because of the HB2 while at the same time promoting their organization/business in a very LGBT unfriendly place like China.

LGBT in China:
Anti-discrimination laws in employment No
Anti-discrimination laws in the provision of goods and services No
Anti-discrimination laws in all other areas (incl. indirect discrimination, hate speech) No
Same-sex marriage(s) No
Recognition of same-sex couples No
Both joint and step adoption by same-sex couples No
Gays allowed to serve in the military ?
Right to change legal gender Yes
Commercial surrogacy No
Access to IVF for lesbians No
Allowed to donate blood No

Not to mention human rights violations for the rest of the population. This didn't seem to put a stop to the NBA/China Games 2016 though. After all, there's too much money to be made. HYPOCRISY.

NC is a wonderful state and it's that way because we don't like idiots. So please be sure to avoid our state of you fall into that category. We were fine without you then, and we will be fine without you now. I hear California is wonderful this time of year.

a reply to: jtrenthacker

It's funny that HB2 was such a big deal a while back, but now that the origins have been crystallized, nobody wants to discuss it. Charlotte used their transgender protection bill to "trigger" a response from the conservative government. They got exactly what they asked for in HB2. Then, when the Gov said he would repeal HB2 if Charlotte dropped their bill, they did, and we had a special session to repeal HB2. (after it did it's damage in the election) The only problem is, the liberals were planing on cheating. (shocker!)

The conservative Gov put a rider in that no municipalities could enact similar bills to Charlotte's for 6 months, and the crybaby libs went ape #. So they had plans to just enact the same garbage again after they got what they wanted. But it's clear that the libs don't give a # about the transgenders, they just used them for the political leverage to get what they wanted. SO now NC has an idiot Gov who isn't smart enough to run a crime lab, but thinks he can run a state. Good luck with all that dumbass.

originally posted by: SeekingAlpha
Therefore, our representatives should have done the right thing and rejected a Trump election at the national level. In a state like NC where there is a right wing power grab is currently in play, they will have to raise issues up to the US supreme court to unclog (if even possible) the mess that the right wingers have created in that state.

"The election didnt go the way I wanted it to go, so ignore the voters and install who we want."

You guys have a real fascist streak within you. You've apparently rationalized it in your own mind.

a reply to: network dude

Same to you. We have so many southerner and texas transplants in Idaho trying to take our public lands that is a constant battle.

Crazed mobs:

a reply to: MOMof3

don't worry, we in NC have no desire for long cold winters.

a reply to: GreyScale

I didn't lose anything, I am a Canadian. I also happen to strongly dislike Hillary Clinton and rejoice at the fact that she is not going to be President, though she would be better than the con that is Donald Trump. My point is that those here on ATS who support Trump and the Republicans expose themselves as ideologues who actually don't believe in the US Constitution, as is evident by their support of Republican power grabs that clearly undermine democracy and the spirit of the Constitution. How anybody who claims to "deny ignorance" and still support Trump after his choices of billionaires and insiders for high level positions is beyond me. The horrors that are about to unfold are just as much as your responsibility as the cowardly democrats who nominated the personification of the establishment as their nominee.

a reply to: SeekingAlpha

"Democratic principles".

You mean like undocumented immigrants illegally voting in the election that account for the difference in the popular vote?

"authoritarian dictatorship"

You mean like the Presidency of Obama?

Get out of here with this fake news.

a reply to: SeekingAlpha

See, this is what happens when you read too much into right wing fake news.

I like how you say that while you push an opinion piece claiming a booming economic state is comparable to a third world country.

Oh and the "I know so many people who went to Duke but left because everyone is racist" was a nice substanceless "fact" you keep pushing.

Just another liberal snuff piece on any opinion but their own.

If your state voted Trump it is racist and almost a third world country.

Only people who lean left are civilized and the rest of the world is savages.


Maybe a new thread will point out how the left side of politics is making Germany as dangerous as a third world country.

originally posted by: kimar
a reply to: GreyScale

I didn't lose anything, I am a Canadian. I also happen to strongly dislike Hillary Clinton and rejoice at the fact that she is not going to be President, though she would be better than the con that is Donald Trump. My point is that those here on ATS who support Trump and the Republicans expose themselves as ideologues who actually don't believe in the US Constitution, as is evident by their support of Republican power grabs that clearly undermine democracy and the spirit of the Constitution. How anybody who claims to "deny ignorance" and still support Trump after his choices of billionaires and insiders for high level positions is beyond me. The horrors that are about to unfold are just as much as your responsibility as the cowardly democrats who nominated the personification of the establishment as their nominee.

So... a person that isn't even in the game but playing sore loser anyways. Thanks for clarifying.

I don't support Progressives. They make up most of both our parties. I also didn't vote for Trump. That being said, can we at least please see what he does in office before donning a sackcloth and ashes and standing on a street corner screaming that the world is going to end?

What Trump has done is chosen people who can actually do the jobs that he put them in. Unlike anything Democrats usually do. So I can understand your confusion.

Trump isn't a Progressive or he wouldn't be getting so much flack from both sides. So let's see where it actually goes before the wailing and the gnashing of teeth at the... horrors that are about to unfold, as you say.

And for the record, someone with Democratic/left leanings saying someone else doesn't believe in the US Constitution and the spirit of it is both funny and ironic. Deny Ignorance indeed.

a reply to: GreyScale

With Trump in charge of the nuclear codes, every single person on the face of the Earth has skin in the game. The fact that you believe his appointments are qualified shows how little you have been paying attention. Tillerson at State - lol. Carson at HUD, qualified? Seriously? A second generation Goldman Sachs coward in Treasury? Ha! Drain the swamp was nothing but a saying that the easily fooled fell for hard.

a reply to: SeekingAlpha

Not a Trump fan, but I don't think "crazed mob" is an accurate, fair or productive characterization of his supporters. Desperate maybe and angry that they are falling further and further behind while the opposition tells them that they are privileged and dismiss them as ignorant all at the same time. "You're too stupid to see how good you have it" is not a good dialogue to have with the majority population, ever; and yet... This is what the white working class has been increasingly told for the last 30 years while they get poorer every year. Of course Trump is President, he at least pretended to acknowledge them instead of just dismissing them (us really, this is my demographic) with contempt.

I think Trump is skilled at taking advantage of the desperate; he is a conman but it doesn't mean his supporters are stupid. There is a reason hope was in Pandora's Box in the first place; evil will always exploit it. Trump picked his moment masterfully.

a reply to: SeekingAlpha

I'm from NC and live in NC. I love NC and see no evidence of NC being a cesspool. Our state is doing quite well economically, unlike quite a few other states. People are moving here from all over the country because our state's doing so well. You call the Republican ascendancy a right-wing power grab. I call it a rejection of the ultra-liberal socialist claptrap being peddled by the snowflake crowd. I have a BS in Business and graduated with honors (SCL). I run a profitable company. I've read literally thousands of books over the years and continue to read daily. The ASFAB test (yes I'm a vet) placed me 3 standard deviations above the mean in intelligence. But, as a deplorable, I voted for Trump for president and for most members of our current state government. You are entitled to your opinion, yes, but I hope you aren't too disappointed that I discount it.

a reply to: MOMof3

Interesting. Quick question.... by any chance is there any oil and/or gas development going on in Idaho? Is that what these out-of-staters want?

Back to the OP.... from the source

Practically we need to address the institutional failures which have cost us our democratic ranking – districting, equal access to the vote and the abuse of legislative power. An independent commission is the sine-qua-non of democratic districting (no democracy in the world outside of the U.S. allows the elected politicians to draw the lines). Voter registration and poll access should make voting as easy as possible and never be skewed in favor of any one section of society. Last, elected officials need to respect the core principles of democracy – respect the will of the voters, all the voters and play the game with integrity.

Respect for democracy is not a partisan issue. In America true Republicans are as loyal to democratic principles as are Democrats.

We've sent American soldiers to die in foreign countries in order to export our democracy. And yet, at home, we don't even seem to care what goes on.