Russian military plane disappears from radar after takeoff near Sochi

a reply to: Guyfriday

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A grim Ministry of Defense (MoD) report released in the Kremlin today by the Security Council (SC) on the catastrophic crash into the Black Sea of an Aerospace Forces (AF) Tupolev Tu-154 airliner at 02:40 (GMT+3) while 1.5 kilometers (.9 miles) from its takeoff from Sochi International Airport was preceded by an as yet unexplained American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) encrypted “burst transmission” occurring prior to this disaster by 23 minutes—and that “strangely/coincidentally” immediately redirected a US Air Force C-130 cargo plane from its original path over the Black Sea to the Romanian Air Forces 90th Airlift Base from NATO’s Incirlik Air Base in the Republic of Turkey.

. . . strike at “the very soul of the Motherland” by their not only killing all 64 members of the Russian Army’s world renowned Alexandrov Choir, but their also killing the, likewise, world renowned Russian humanitarian and charity activist Elizaveta Glinka, widely known as Dr. Liza.

It would take a very nasty mind to think of doing such a thing. Par for the course.

I suppose there must be drones designed to create a bird strike effect.

a reply to: Kester

It is Sorcha Faal non-sense. Why do people fall for this utter gibberish?

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originally posted by: GuyfridayJust a few updates, that most if not all of you know:

The other issue I saw was that the Plane took a U-Turn before going off radar. If that's true then wouldn't that disqualify the reports that everything was ok? I'm guessing the blackbox data would have to be made public to clear that up, and I'm pretty sure the Russians aren't going to do that. So for now I guess it's a "wait and see" thing.

Nothing unusual about the turn after take off. The flight route into Syria will be Caspian Sea, over Iran and Iraq. Turkey only allows direct over flights of specific humanitarian flights. Georgia will also not permit overflights so hence the turn after departure to transit back over the Russian mainland. The Tu-154 was turning to get onto the flight routes in order to head over the Russian mainland and transit down the Caspian Sea route.

The following link is for another Tu-154 flight. Syria to Russia on the 19th December 2016.

Flight Radar 24 Tu-154 route 19th December 2016

Sky Vector Link

Link to image of turning points after take off from Sochi-Adler

See posts from Professional Pilots Rumour Network.

PPRUNE forum discussion link

PPRUNE forum discussion link

The Russian Geographical Society sent C-Quester and C-Explorer to Sochi to assist with the recovery. The data recorders in use on the Tu-154 don't have the locator beacons that most recorders have, so will have to be located manually.

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Investigators are focusing on pilot error, bad fuel, mechanical failure, or engine FOD as the provable causes. They said so far there is nothing to suggest terrorism.

Proving a drone strike would most likely be extremely difficult. I suspect specialist drones for this purpose have been in production for some time.

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Researchers at Virginia Tech’s College of Engineering say drones as small as 8 pounds will have “devastating” effects if sucked into the turbofan engines of commercial aircrafts.

a reply to: Kester

There is still going to be evidence that it hit the aircraft regardless. But at that distance and altitude there are very few that could have been in the area. And the previous link supplied about the C-130 is made up bunk by Sorcha Faal. If anything hit the aircraft it was a bird.

Couple of updates:
CNN

Divers found the Tu-154's fuselage about a mile offshore in the Black Sea at the depth of 27 meters, RIA Novosti reported.
Earlier Monday a military plane flew 10 bodies and fragments of debris to Moscow, where DNA testing would be carried out, the ministry said.
It said experts had been able to more precisely locate the crash site by using data from radio location equipment, but that the search was complicated by varying sea depths.

Also later reports have the total of 13 bodies recovered and one of the two black boxes found as well.


Russia Today

The fragments include the fuselage and parts of the engine.
At least 12 bodies from the plane crash have been recovered so far, the ministry said.
The black box was located some 1,600 meters (one mile) from shore by a FALCON underwater drone.

The black box will be delivered to the Central Research Institute of the Air Force of Defense Ministry in the city of Lyubertsy, a Moscow suburb, within the next few hours, the ministry reported.
A source told TASS earlier that one of the key theories as to why the plane crashed “is that foreign objects penetrated the engine,” adding that other possible causes, such as pilot error and technical failure, are also being investigated.

I'll update more info in later when it becomes available.

originally posted by: Kester
a reply to: nightbringr

Not fear you. Expect little resistance from you. Then the gloves come off. It's a Russian speciality that is worth paying attention to.

Is not a specialty. Is called not having enough money to pay for basic maintenence.

Come to think of it, that kind of IS the Russians specialty!

originally posted by: Zaphod58
Investigators are focusing on pilot error, bad fuel, mechanical failure, or engine FOD as the provable causes. They said so far there is nothing to suggest terrorism.

id be leaning more to espionage than "terrorism"

According to unconfirmed reports, the preliminary analysis of the data recorder that was recovered shows crew error.

It appears they failed to retract the flaps, and entered a turn at 300 mph, with a high enough pitch angle that they may have stalled.

www.ibtimes.com...

The article calls them spoilers, but the description is of flaps, and an unconfirmed report was that the last words were about the flaps.

Someone in the area recorded the aircraft arriving, taxiing in to parking, takeoff, and ultimately impacting the water. Investigators are starting to analyze that video.

It may not have been pilot error, but a split flap condition.

Pilots' last words:
"Speed 300 (inaudible)."
"(Inaudible)."
"I've pulled in the landing gear, commander."
"(Inaudible)."
"Oh bloody hell!"
Piercing alarm sounds
"The flaps, hell, what a…!"
"The altimeter [altitude meter]!"
"We're in… (inaudible)."

www.bbc.com...

Mibee He Said Aww Pi sh Flaps....

An FSB border guard was out on a speedboat, and said that the aircraft came down slowly towards the water, with the nose at a steep angle. He said that the tail touched the water first, and immediately broke off and quickly sank. The pilots also reported that they were "heavy" to flight dispatchers.

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The Russian Navy Black Sea Fleet rescue/salvage vessel Epron is currently off Sochi-Adler.

I picked up her Morse Code weather broadcast to Sevastopol this morning during 06 GMT.

5066 Kilohertz RCV DE RMGZ 29061 99434 10399 22200 @0613Z

43.4N 39.9E Hove to

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Epron Image Link

a reply to: Guyfriday

It becoming readily apparent the US is pushing for war with Russia. I think this the 3rd large Russian aircraft thats gone down in the last 6 months or so.

Russia is being pushed into a position where it must either fight back or surrender to the US. Mind you, that wont stop the killing or the threat of nuclear war because they will just move on to China and do the same thing again.

a reply to: Azureblue

It looks like this was a nasty accident and nothing else. So why it does look like that, the facts are that Russia wouldn't do well in a large scale war. Despite what pro-Russians would like you to think. I'm not saying the Russians wouldn't fight, but rather they aren't currently in a economic place to wage war.


So far it looks like there was some kind of control surface error, the pilots tried to rescue the flight by attempting a water landing, and it went all crappos.

originally posted by: Guyfriday
a reply to: Azureblue
It looks like this was a nasty accident and nothing else.. So why it does look like that, the facts are that Russia wouldn't do well in a large scale war. Despite what pro-Russians would like you to think. I'm not saying the Russians wouldn't fight, but rather they aren't currently in a economic place to wage war.


So far it looks like there was some kind of control surface error, the pilots tried to rescue the flight by attempting a water landing, and it went all crappos.

Many of them do look like accidents, thats the problem. When a plane that no one can see falls out of the sky its easy to make it have a nasty accident.

To the extent that people crises the US, its their own ding. Saw some figures here recently that said the US has had only 200 whatever days, free of war in the last 30 years or so.

Soldiers are nothing but dumb animals to be used as cannon fodder for the policy which is never ending war. Henry Kissinger. (dont know when or where) He's not the first one to talk about never ending war.

Many Australians beleive the US was behind the sacking of one of its prime ministers in the 1970's or so.

a reply to: Azureblue

Seriously? A country that was hurting so badly for money they essentially had almost no military, has had major production problems in recent years, has always had reliability problems, and the US is to blame for their accidents?

So how do your reconcile that there is video of the accident, and multiple eyewitnesses?

Talk about a stretch to blame the US for everything.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Azureblue

Seriously? A country that was hurting so badly for money they essentially had almost no military, has had major production problems in recent years, has always had reliability problems, and the US is to blame for their accidents?
So how do your reconcile that there is video of the accident, and multiple eyewitnesses?

Talk about a stretch to blame the US for everything.

Thanks for that but I am not aware of that.

They also exhibited the same behavior as the plane that flying from Paris to somewhere in North Africa and crashed into the med somewhere off Sicily from memory. It made rapid descents and sudden turns. Seems this is becoming a trend. Sounds like remote hijacking of the control of the plane to me.

Remember G W Bush said after 911 that they would invent technology to take over distressed planes? Seems his idea of what a distressed might have been different to meaning inferred at the time.

In the last 4 of these events there has been no mayday or distress calls from any of the pilots, funny that. I wonder is Russia has this techo?