Essentially Trump is replacing lawyer politicians with highly successful businessmen

a reply to: Xeven

While I don't like the implications of having a government full of corporate ex CEOs, it brings back memories of Bush Jr. administration, I have to weight the pros and cons and then wait for the end result.

Unites State of America is a corporation, run like a corporation and act like a corporation.

I will like to believe that as a corporation our career politicians are a dying breed, lawyers, specially constitutional lawyers are put in place for the purpose of finding ways to undermine the constitution and make sure that bills and laws will pass the constitutional test.

But in the last decades our economy is no living to the standards that this nation have as the greatest power in the world.

We are falling behind, emerging countries are thriving economically while we seem to be withering.

I guess I will give Trump the same chance I gave to Obama in the first years of their presidency.

originally posted by: Udntknowjack
a reply to: Agit8dChop

Explain to me why a surgeon will be the secretary of housing and urban development?

Ron Paul (for whom i voted twice) Was a doctor and running for POTUS.
Your point?

Why don't you do this and mail trumps administration and ask that question as to what his reasons for this pick are. You will get some good reasons for it.

Can someone tell me what the difference is between Lawyers representing Big Business Interests and Presidents and CEO's representing Big Business Interests is in Washington DC?

The purpose of a business is make money for the company and shareholders. That is all.
The purpose of a politician should be to create policies beneficial to everyone as spelled in the Constitution.
Why would a business man change his gears and mentality that he has worked at for so many years in working for everyone in this country rather working for the top elite as he always has?

People do realize in this thread that Obama had no less than 20 Goldman Sachs Bankers in his Admin and not just lawyers
Why would anything change with Trump since he is doing the same?

Help me out here?

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: Udntknowjack

I've been researching Trump's picks for his cabinet, most of which I'd never heard of. The thing that has stood out the most to me is the fact that they actually know wtf they are doing.

That is great that they know what they are doing for their business.
Why would they change mental gears in working for the bests interests of everyone?
Companies do not work that way.

originally posted by: crazyewok
The problem i see is that none of these people where voted in by anyone.


Trump has in effect turned the USA into a overt corperocracy.

I would like to see a complete list of all the people under Obama
A complete list of all the people under Trump

Dollars to Donuts they will be the same people from the same Big Corporations

We have tried this going on 30 years now folks and it is not working

originally posted by: Udntknowjack
a reply to: Xeven

Lol you think businessmen are better than lawyers?

Do you still leave cookies and milk for Santa by chance?

Not saying that I like Trumps picks, but yes Business men are better than Lawyers. I own a business. I'm not shady and weaselly like most lawyers I know. I don't speak in legaleeze and doublespeak. I don't lie to make money etc. There's a huge difference.

originally posted by: jacobe001
Can someone tell me what the difference is between Lawyers representing Big Business Interests and Presidents and CEO's representing Big Business Interests is in Washington DC?

The purpose of a business is make money for the company and shareholders. That is all.
The purpose of a politician should be to create policies beneficial to everyone as spelled in the Constitution.
Why would a business man change his gears and mentality that he has worked at for so many years in working for everyone in this country rather working for the top elite as he always has?

People do realize in this thread that Obama had no less than 20 Goldman Sachs Bankers in his Admin and not just lawyers
Why would anything change with Trump since he is doing the same?

Help me out here?

The current theory that is being thrown around on other fringe sites,
that have nothing but support and admiration for Trump.
Sites that will also ban you if you mention anything negative about Trump is as follows..

Trump is biding his time and pretending to appease TPTB so that he can enter office.
Once he is in office he will begin to fire everyone involved in "The Swamp".
He will immediately open requests of investigation for the purpose of prosecution of Hillary.

Using the NSA he will gathering information on Mexico forcing their politicians to pay for the wall.
He will also shed a facade of being a globalist billionaire elitist and return to the farm where he grew
up and tend to his cattle because at this point he has already made america great again.

He can now return to what he loves.

originally posted by: dragonridr


I think Lawyers have a tendency to always look for loop holes and options as a lawyer its great but as a politician they end up working against the people as they find ways around things like the constitution. So in politics they can do a lot of damage but along those same lines if they have something they want to get done they can find ways to make it happen. So its a double edged sword id say.

Big Business hires these same lawyers with the sole purpose of doing what you said in bold.
Why would the same presidents that hire these lawyers do anything different once in DC?

originally posted by: 3danimator2014
Ok...so apparently a LOT of people on ATS are unaware of Goldman Sachs' and other big financial institutions role in the collapse of 2008 as well as being blind to the fact that most billion dollar companies like oil, gas, etc literally # on you and I.

Goldman Sachs bet against their own dam clients in 2008
But now The Vampire Squid is going to be working for the American People under Trump?
LOL

How did that work out when Obama had no less than 30 Goldman Boys in his Admin?

More Hopey and Changey folks with Obama 2.0 = Trump

So sick of the same crap for the last 30 years

good. businessmen spend their entire lives creating wealth and employing people. the hell do lawyers do for anyone?

a reply to: AVoiceOfReason

Work for Trump full time considering all the lawsuits he's involved with.

originally posted by: BlueAjah
To everyone on this thread complaining that Trump is picking successful business people...

Did you want him to select failures?
Who do you think should do the job?

He is picking the ones that put the C in Crony Capitalism in this country.
There are thousands of smart and successful regional bankers and business men across this country that got where they did without purchasing politicians, why did Trump not pick from among them?

Success does not mean climbing your way to the top by purchasing politicians as we have had infested in DC for the last 30 years

originally posted by: Xeven

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: Xeven

Lawmakers and lawyers go hand in hand. You literally have one profession that decides and writes the rules, while the other profession learns and applies them. So it makes sense to choose lawyers to help craft new laws, since they may know the existing laws better than the lawmakers themselves.

I prefer to have smart intelligent and successful business leaders framing and forming the laws and hire lawyers to write them.

Question:

Are you considered successful if you purchase politicians to get where you are?
Lobby your puppets to create laws to bring in more cheap labor from India or create trade laws with slave labor countries?

There are thousands of successful business men in this country that got where they are without the benefits of purchasing puppet politicians in this country like the ones from the top Major Corporations

originally posted by: Xeven
a reply to: luthier

We are 20 Trillion in debt. It took Obama 9 trillion in additional debt to fake the economy as being good. It is a time for businessmen. You do not hire a welder to do surgery do you?

Obama had over a hundred business men in his cabinet working for him
Would you like me to show you the list?

originally posted by: gladtobehere
a reply to: Xeven

Trump is appointing people from the private sector to oversee an industry with which they are intimately aligned.

Either Trump is too stupid to realize the inherent conflict of interest or hes in on it.

But its nothing new. Bankers have been appointed to the SEC, Monsanto execs to head the FDA, oil industry big wigs to head the Department of Energy etc.

Business as usual under Trump and Co.

Good Post

See my old thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...
How Corporate Lobbyists Conquered American Democracy

Prior to the 1970's, there were less than 200 Corporate and Banking Lobby Offices in Washington DC.
Today, these offices number in the thousands.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
It's simply amazing how many experts we have predicting the future when as Luthier said there IS no precedent for this...for that matter there IS no precedent for our COUNTRY.
We are all in this for the 1st time,that's chaos not predictable and the standard models from Europe and history CANNOT predict US behavior.
Not a Nazi ,racist or RNC ,just people ONE man thinks he want to run the show.
ALL OF this is a CHAOTIC method of operation and we ACE that.

Can you tell me what the difference is between 4000 Corporate and Banking Lobby Offices in DC controlling their puppet politicians VS a couple hundred Corporate and Banking Presidents in DC + the still 4000 Corporate and Banking Lobby Offices in DC purchasing the remaining politicians to the left and right of them

In Capitalism, all parties are entitled to negotiating power
Can anyone tell where all parties have equal say in this arrangement?
Where is labor and citizens say in DC since Big Business is allowed to OWN DC?

a reply to: jacobe001

Didn't you get the memo ?

These banksters and multi-billionaires are no longer referred to as "crony capitalists"... they're now known as "highly successful businessmen".




And who needs lawyers, politicians, and lobbyists when all you have to do is hand the reins directly over to the big boys (who pay for those other three anyways), right ?

Why pussyfoot around ?

Everybody knows who's been running the show all these decades.... no sense in trying to hide it anymore.

So kudos to Trump for his willingness to be completely transparent about it all.

originally posted by: TheBulk

originally posted by: cenpuppie
He's not draining any swamp, he's adding to it. Not much if anything is going to change except for foreign policy and a few other Trumpian moves.

New boss, same as the old boss.

I guess if you're a hard left wing socialist/communist/Marxist, business and capitalism are a swamp.

And if you are a Fascist, letting only Big Business own the whole swamp is "Capitalism" when Labor is also entitled to negotiating power under Capitalism

So, basically, the "middle-man" (politician) was cut out. Instead of lobbyists bribing politicians for corporate benefit, we now have the corporate bodies directly in government. And this is a good thing, seriously??

What could possibly go wrong? Now the foxes are IN the hen house.

Smh.

a reply to: jacobe001

No. At many companies the purpose of the CEO is to make money for the shareholders. These days, if you hold stock in that company, you are a shareholder. Do you realize how many otherwise average folks are shareholders in these big companies thanks to their retirement accounts and pension plans?

Now think about it this way: If the mentality is to create a business in which WE THE PEOPLE are all the shareholders, which we are as taxpayers, then we are headed in the right direction no matter who is in charge of it. In that sense, they will be working for us and creating value for us.