Trump Reaches Deal to Keep Carrier Factory, Jobs in Indiana: Report

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: Aazadan

Trump is giving a rally in Cincinnati on Thursday...perhaps he'll reveal more details then.
#Thankyoutour2016:
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Perhaps he will, I'm willing to wait for details. It seems you weren't willing to wait for details before praising him though.

That's true. I am praising him for taking immediate action to get people back to work...and not constantly sitting on his ass...like Obama.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: In4ormant
First you guarantee it's tax breaks without knowing the "incentives " and then proceed to create an argument against Corporate welfare vs. Public welfare based on your own assumption.

Do you need us here?

What other incentives would it be? It's not the environmental regulations that make Mexico more appealing, it's the dollars exchange rate. If he didn't give them tax breaks he's outright giving them cash. It can only be one of those two things.

The very strong incentive to not lose some of their very lucrative government contracts worth billions.

Fear is a great motivator.

I'm impressed, and I'm glad those people get to keep their jobs. I'll reserve comment on the bigger picture until we have details.

I thought those manufacturing jobs were going to end up staying partly because he was going to renegotiate nafta and essentially impose tariffs on good manufactured elsewhere. I have no idea what impact that's going to have on Americans in general, but clearly no tariffs have been imposed YET, and even if they had been discussed, I wouldn't think Carrier would have considered that an "incentive."

So, anyway, I await the details.

a reply to: IAMTAT

RE: www.foxnews.com...

To be honest, I'm bewildered why President Obama let so many companies ship their service and manufacturing functions to locations outside of the USA, without even putting up a fight. He tried harder to get Hillary elected.

a reply to: Grimpachi

So if that is corporate welfare, then what you call the welfare class supported by the working class.

Yeah, is socialism, oops in America we don't have such a thing I forgot.

if jobs can be made to keep people from becoming welfare recipients that is more power to the tax payer.

originally posted by: marg6043


Yeah, is socialism, oops in America we don't have such a thing I forgot.

Of course we have socialism in America. We've had socialism of various forms in America for a long time.

Corporate socialism is my least favorite kind, but even that has its place. NOT to the extent that exists presently, but still.

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: Aazadan

Trump is giving a rally in Cincinnati on Thursday...perhaps he'll reveal more details then.
#Thankyoutour2016:
twitter.com...

Perhaps he will, I'm willing to wait for details. It seems you weren't willing to wait for details before praising him though.

That's true. I am praising him for taking immediate action to get people back to work...and not constantly sitting on his ass...like Obama.

Pedestal tarnish and fall.

Just sayin'

What do I gotta do to put you in this factory today?


Our used car salesmen president. Lol. Jobs are good. He's doing what he can in that regard. A renegotiation of our trade deals would be excellent once he gets in and I do hope this is a top priority. Tbh though, I'm a bit disappointed that we're overly focused on low wage, low skill factory jobs. I do understand that this is the demographic that needs the most attention, but let's not forget that America always needs to be focused on educating its populace and fostering markets that provide high pay, high skill jobs.

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: Aazadan

Trump is giving a rally in Cincinnati on Thursday...perhaps he'll reveal more details then.
#Thankyoutour2016:
twitter.com...

Perhaps he will, I'm willing to wait for details. It seems you weren't willing to wait for details before praising him though.

That's true. I am praising him for taking immediate action to get people back to work...and not constantly sitting on his ass...like Obama.

Totally. Like that entire stupid automobile industry. The desperate partisanship on this website is bizarre.

As once said the guy is a business man and he will turn the US into a company, and has a strong feeling for social media .

Because they're the voice of the people and the truth goes through the Internet.

I'll only hope he will grand Julian Assange his freedom and maybe he could independently build something to leak any corruption in world governments independent and neutral in anyway.

Let the people decide if a government or politicians are honest in what they do with and for the people's.

There's a new Era being born and it's called crowd investigation, like crowd funding and crowd researching. .

I am glad these people keep their jobs for a while, til automation. Congratulations to the new president and his supporters. I think this election won the battle for the soul of America. The Federal government will "fit in a teaspoon" and our entire lives controlled by corporations, banks, and military. I am not saying it is a bad thing, but I believe it is.

a reply to: IAMTAT

You are reporting an anonymous tweet as fact. Let's see what happens on Thursday.

a reply to: carewemust

To be honest, I'm bewildered why President Obama let so many companies ship their service and manufacturing functions to locations outside of the USA, without even putting up a fight. He tried harder to get Hillary elected.

Because putting arbitrary nationalistic constraints on free trade by unilateral executive decree is a characteristic of Fascism.

originally posted by: jellyrev
a reply to: Grimpachi

Inefficient company or inefficient taxing?

Can you can prove carrier is a net cost to the state?

Did you also hate the stimulus package at a cost of 278,000 per job saved or created, I hope you are a libertarian, otherwise I'd love to get into green subsidies and job creation with you. But a libertarian would not be complaining about paying less taxes so I highly doubt you are.

Uh...libertarians certainly don't just want tax cuts, especially when they make a deficit in revanue. Tax cuts are great when they are paid for in the budget.

Also who decides which ac companies get subsidies? The oil and gas industry get 41 billion a year from the us alone and people complain about the millions given to green energy.

Subsidies are great when they are open across the board, if they are not your picking a winner and altering the market.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: IAMTAT

RE: www.foxnews.com...

To be honest, I'm bewildered why President Obama let so many companies ship their service and manufacturing functions to locations outside of the USA, without even putting up a fight. He tried harder to get Hillary elected.

Maybe take an economics class. When Nixon opened up China, a communist authoritarian country worse than cuba, all the jobs starting going over seas. Obama didn't do anything the other presidents didn't do.

By the way our cpi controls inflation by using slave labor imports. The only way to compete with that is automation anything efficiency which does not mean more jobs.

If we simply sart making everything here with a labor force we don't even have trained, then you can expect prices to double for the same wage consumers are eaening. Mix that with the price of groceries going up when the illegal labor forces are deported, along with auto mechanics, cooks, construction.

a reply to: luthier

Maybe take an economics class.

There you can learn about Ricardo's Theory of Comparative Advantage. Updating the classic example for our much more globalized world, American workers used to make plastic buckets. Once we sell the machines that make plastic buckets to China, they can make plastic buckets cheaper than we can. This benefits consumers in the United States because they can buy more plastic buckets for the same price. The people in the US who used to make plastic buckets can now manufacture the machines that make plastic buckets. This is a higher priced item that can then be sold to China. Eventually, China back engineers the machines that make buckets and starts selling them to Viet Nam. Viet Nam can make plastic buckets cheaper than China can, so they sell to China and the United States and our consumers benefit again. Meanwhile, the Americans who used to make the machines that make plastic buckets now write the software that operates the machines that make plastic buckets. Globalization is like the House That Jack Built.

Corporate welfare....(LOL) vs individual welfare.


Doesn't take a lot of effort to figure out that if a company is given "corporate welfare" otherwise known as tax breaks or incentives to stay in a state/country... that every job that is saved is one person that comes off of individual welfare, or stays away from going on individual welfare

Ying and yang, baby, ying and yang.

Notice the effort to label tax breaks and incentives now as corporate welfare? Brought to you by the same people who demand that everyone get a trophy for participating.

a reply to: RickinVa

Doesn't take a lot of effort to figure out that if a company is given "corporate welfare" otherwise known as tax breaks or incentives to stay in a state/country...

Do we know that is the deal Trump is supposed to be cutting?

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: RickinVa

Doesn't take a lot of effort to figure out that if a company is given "corporate welfare" otherwise known as tax breaks or incentives to stay in a state/country...

Do we know that is the deal Trump is supposed to be cutting?

My statement was about the difference between individual welfare vs "corporate" welfare.

The Trump deal is a moot point... it applies to all deals made by all states to keep companies in their states.

a reply to: DJW001

Know all about it.

However it's nothing like that.

Consumers don't win. What is happening is the consolidation of wealth, and requirement for a nanny state.

This model extinguishes jobs for the lower and middle class. Eventually robots will build machines. They already do.

So we keep retracting the need for a large labor force. Consumers in the US can only spend money or credit they have. Currently we are 10-50 million jobs short of employing the non working. That can't be fixed without changing the cpi which will effect consumer spending.

The number of jobs available in Ricardo s theory will continually diminish and consolidate.

Not to mention the finite slave labor manufacturing base and plenty of coders, engineers, etc sprouting up in the nation's developed trough infrastructure investment like China.