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The brain is just the mechanism that allows consciousness to recall these memories just like the DVD player is the mechanism that allows consciousness to experience watching Wedding Crashers or The Godfather.
If I get up and walk to the fridge and pour me a glass of Apple Juice, the brain can explain the mechanics that allowed me to go to the fridge and pour me a glass of Apple Juice.
originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: neoholographic
The brain is just the mechanism that allows consciousness to recall these memories just like the DVD player is the mechanism that allows consciousness to experience watching Wedding Crashers or The Godfather.
If I get up and walk to the fridge and pour me a glass of Apple Juice, the brain can explain the mechanics that allowed me to go to the fridge and pour me a glass of Apple Juice.
I liken it to a car sitting idling as the mechanics and you the driver. You drive your car (body) thru your will, or dependence, belief, preconditioning, etc.
The you and the mechanics of the body (car) are two different things.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: neoholographic
That's called begging the question. You cannot remove what was never there in the first place.
The problem is that idealism presupposes consciousness, awareness, intelligence, instead of finding them in the real world. That is convenient, but also invalid because your argument assumes the conclusion.
If you believe that only that which can be measured directly using one or more of the five senses is real, then I disagree with you. Just because we cannot directly observe or measure something does not mean it does not exist.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Does not mean it does exist either. Microbes were measured directly. They have always existed, we just didn't see them.
originally posted by: Dark Ghost
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Does not mean it does exist either. Microbes were measured directly. They have always existed, we just didn't see them.
Then, is it not possible, that consciousness has always existed yet we just lack the tools to measure it directly as of the present?
ETA: In other words: are people of today who say "there is a universal awareness that exists outside the body, connecting all energy together" being viewed the same as those who once said "there are organisms we cannot see that are causing these illnesses"?
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Yes there is a possibility, but the same could be said of Santa Clause or fairies. There are other, more compelling theories.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
originally posted by: Dark Ghost
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Does not mean it does exist either. Microbes were measured directly. They have always existed, we just didn't see them.
Then, is it not possible, that consciousness has always existed yet we just lack the tools to measure it directly as of the present?
ETA: In other words: are people of today who say "there is a universal awareness that exists outside the body, connecting all energy together" being viewed the same as those who once said "there are organisms we cannot see that are causing these illnesses"?
Yes there is a possibility, but the same could be said of Santa Clause or fairies. There are other, more compelling theories.